Brake drum removal

[elfdowney]

Okay, I have a '67 CJ5 with a Dana 44 rear axle and as I admitted in my Introduction I'm new to Jeeps... I have to replace all the wheel studs on the right rear wheel (don't ask!?!!)... Looks like I have to remove the brake drum to get behind the wheel hub to slide the news studs in place...
1st Dumb question... how do I get the Brake drum off?... My copy of the original Owners Manual says to use a wheel puller... I can get a loaner from AutoZone, but how do I connect it?... If there's a better way, educate me... I know squat about old Jeeps but, I am trainable, just talk r-e-a-l s-l-o-w and use small words ... Thanx

 

[0822]

Hello , you will need at least three good studs to attach the puller. Once the puller is attached crank the center bolt and if all goes well it will pop off.

 

[elfdowney]

That's the problem... all the studs are gone... just open holes where the studs used to be... PO ground them off and used a punch to push them back.

 

[CJ]

Can you get a three prong gear puller to lock into the holes?

 

[0822]

That's the problem... all the studs are gone... just open holes where the studs used to be... PO ground them off and used a punch to push them back.

I understand. Not sure what type of puller you can use with out studs??? Maybe the one that CJ has posted might work.

 

[elfdowney]

Thanks Guys... will see if that'll work

 

[tarry99]

Okay, I have a '67 CJ5 with a Dana 44 rear axle and as I admitted in my Introduction I'm new to Jeeps... I have to replace all the wheel studs on the right rear wheel (don't ask!?!!)... Looks like I have to remove the brake drum to get behind the wheel hub to slide the news studs in place...
1st Dumb question... how do I get the Brake drum off?... My copy of the original Owners Manual says to use a wheel puller... I can get a loaner from AutoZone, but how do I connect it?... If there's a better way, educate me... I know squat about old Jeeps but, I am trainable, just talk r-e-a-l s-l-o-w and use small words ... Thanx

Do you still have the original 9" brakes on there? Or has it been converted to the 11" drums?

The old original 9" drums were mounted behind the wheel hub on these two piece axle's ............meaning that the hub had to be pulled first and the drum would come with it ....then you would knock out the wheel studs to get the drum off...................If all the studs are broken it sounds to me like someone has already tried to get it off using a hub puller and they broke the studs.

You can take the axle nut off a few threads then use a puller like the one pictured that will grab behind the nut.................Here's the problem: These are a two piece tapered axle............the hub fits over the axle on a taper.........they get rusted up and are a real bear to get off sometimes. Sometimes you need to heat up that hub............the puller I have shown develops 12 tons of pulling and I have had to use it many times with heat to get some of these off.

 

[tarry99]

Thanks Guys... will see if that'll work

Elf,
I was just thinking here and some of those early brake drums were external
(outside of the hub) but were held on with three tapered slotted head screws going from the drum to the hub.............may be covered with rust.
There were some different versions that come off different ways.

Take a picture and post it......................

 

[elfdowney]

Tarry99 wrote:
Elf,
I was just thinking here and some of those early brake drums were external (outside of the hub) but were held on with three tapered slotted head screws going from the drum to the hub.............may be covered with rust.
There were some different versions that come off different ways.

Take a picture and post it......................

Mr. Tarry... I can't post any pic's, friggin' camera won't interface with this computer ... But! these hubs Do have three tapered screws and it looks like the brake drums ARE external... Can I use the screw holes to attach a wheel puller to?... I'm so new to this I would rather ask DUMB questions than screw sonething up

 

[tarry99]

Mr. Tarry... I can't post any pic's, friggin' camera won't interface with this computer ... But! these hubs Do have three tapered screws and it looks like the brake drums ARE external... Can I use the screw holes to attach a wheel puller to?... I'm so new to this I would rather ask DUMB questions than screw sonething up

Elf,

No...........you need to take those three screws out and then your drum will come off of the hub.
You will probably need a hand impact driver...........that is a tool commonly used around motorcycles........it is a 3/8 drive hand tool that has screwdriver attachments to it that you hold and strike the end with a hammer. As you strike it the force generated acts like an impact gun.........

You may get lucky and just try them by hand first............But don't bugger up the slot..........I would even first see if you can get a little WD-40 in there to loosen the threads.
Use only a correct sized screw driver blade. The nice thing about the driver is as you smack it it drives the blade into the screw head while also turning it out.
Once the drum is off if you need to get the hub off then the puller I sent a picture of will work to grab the OD of the hub.........of course the big nut needs to come off.

 

[elfdowney]

Wonders never cease!... The tapered screws came right out, but the drum is on there solid... this was a Texas "ranch jeep" and I don't think ANYTHING has been done to it in the last 10 years!... Sprayed it down with PB Blaster and will let it sit overnight... will take a "persuader" to it tomorrow. Elf
Tarry99 gets a BIG :ty:

 

[elfdowney]

Mr Tarry... I had no luck with the "persuader" nor the "BFHammer"... drum is not budging... no place for it to go when I beat on it... what brand of puller is the one you have pictured -or- what do you call it?... where did you get it?... looks like I'm gonna hafta buy one.. Thanks Elf

 

[tarry99]

Mr Tarry... I had no luck with the "persuader" nor the "BFHammer"... drum is not budging... no place for it to go when I beat on it... what brand of puller is the one you have pictured -or- what do you call it?... where did you get it?... looks like I'm gonna hafta buy one.. Thanks Elf

Elf,

Do you think it is just "rusted" to the hub? The center OD of the hub is a close fit to the center ID hole in the drum.
Do you have a torch? I would see if you could put some heat on it at that junction...............hub to drum.

 

[CJ]

Did you back out the adjustment wheel?

 

[tarry99]

Did you back out the adjustment wheel?

Elf,

CJ has asked a great question that should have been covered prior to getting to this point:
Did you back off the Brake shoes from the Brake Drum yet? Will the drum rotate on the axle?
There is a little slot in the bottom of the backing plate facing towards the inside that may have a cover over it that exposes a star shaped wheel to manually adjust the brake shoes in or out..........if the shoes are in contact with the drum it will not come off.

 

[Stodg73]

I know that this is needed information. Brake Drum Removal Information

Some of the pictures are from my Jeep.

 

[elfdowney]

Thanks ya'll!!... The drum does not rotate on the axle, turn the drum and the axle turns... the three tapered screws have been removed... acts as though the drum is rusted to the axle... So,tomorrow I will run to town and get a brake tool/star wheel tool and back the adjuster out... will try to heat the drum and use a wheel puller (if I can find a big enough one in our one-horse-town!) Last resort is Stodg73's technique!... will keep ya'll posted with my results... Thanx, Elf

 

[tarry99]

Thanks ya'll!!... Tomorrow I will run to town and get a brake tool/star wheel tool and back the adjuster out... will try heat to drum and wheel puller (if I can find a big enough one!) Last resort is Stodg73's techinique!... will keep ya'll posted with my results... Thanx, Elf

Elf,

If you have not backed off the brake shoes that will probably do it for you. I figured that you had already done that?
Once you get them backed off...........and you want to turn the star nut so that the barrel it is attached to collapses........gets smaller, that takes pressure off of the shoes.
Make sure the shoes are not rusted to the drums............hopefully you can rotate the drum on the axle once you back off the shoes.
Good Luck!

 

[elfdowney]

Thanks guys!... Just remember, I told ya'll that I'm "dumber than a box of rocks" about this stuff but I am teachable ... Ill back the brakes off tomorrow... Thanx for all ya'lls help!

 

[transam50th]

I have 2 drum/hub assemblies. Both off 60's Jeep CJ5 's with Dana 44 rear. The one side had the drum attached to the hub with the three screws. That set came apart fairly well after some persuasion. The other assembly does not want to budge and it has no screws. I read on here that I need to remove the (splines?) around the studs and then press them out before trying to remove the drum. What do I do to remove this material?