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Hey anybody out there put in aftermarket 4/5 star harnesses? I'd like to put a pair in mine, but am looking at countless possiblites on which one to pick. Any suggestion on what has worked for any of you guys, or even a reputable brand? Im looking at two bucket seats, and possibly still be able to use the stock belts for around town .
I have 4 point harness in my 73 CJ5 . Dont use them much, unless it gets real rough. Have standard belts that I use mostly. When straped in with the 4 points there is not much movement available but they would hold you in if you rolled or etc. Dont know what brand they are. They came with the jeep when I bought it.
Any that meet any of the racing sanctioning body requirements are a step up. Check craigslist, etc... as you often find bracket racers or round track racers selling their out-dated harnesses for cheap. I lucked into 2 sets for $8. One set was 6 years old and one 4 years old. Still 100% serviceable. Ignore the date codes as the actual racers have to replace them regularly but they are dandy for our purposes.
In my Limited experience the crotch (anti-submarining) strap can be a literal pain off-roading if you have it tight enough to work. You could always leave it unconnected unless you were in a really hairy situation though.
Keep in mind that for on road use many states require whatever seat belts are in place to be used. If your jeep originally had only lap belts and you upgrade to a 4-point you could possibly be ticketed for not at least using the harness as a 3-point as most states require when present. Even upgrading to a later factory three point belt system in a jeep that only had lap belts originally would mean you have to wear the attached shoulder belt to be in compliance with any restraint system laws.
Thanks guys...i like the thought of a 4 star harness, and am thinking of putting a normal lap/shoulder belt in for normal use but when going off road i'll switch (unless thats not legal) but it should be right. Switching from a 3 to a 4 is safer so you shouldn't get a ticket for that?
any way i'll check out the racing belts that are used...i never thought of that before.
Any that meet any of the racing sanctioning body requirements are a step up. Check craigslist, etc... as you often find bracket racers or round track racers selling their out-dated harnesses for cheap. I lucked into 2 sets for $8. One set was 6 years old and one 4 years old. Still 100% serviceable. Ignore the date codes as the actual racers have to replace them regularly but they are dandy for our purposes.
In my Limited experience the crotch (anti-submarining) strap can be a literal pain off-roading if you have it tight enough to work. You could always leave it unconnected unless you were in a really hairy situation though.
Keep in mind that for on road use many states require whatever seat belts are in place to be used. If your jeep originally had only lap belts and you upgrade to a 4-point you could possibly be ticketed for not at least using the harness as a 3-point as most states require when present. Even upgrading to a later factory three point belt system in a jeep that only had lap belts originally would mean you have to wear the attached shoulder belt to be in compliance with any restraint system laws.
Incommando: All good points, currently NHRA has required now that we use a 6-point system with the addition of a second crotch belt. Years back we use to send the belts back in every 2 years for re-certification and the belt manufactures would just cut off the old hardware and sew on new belts with a current SFI tag. Now they will only sell you new belts at a cost of $500+ set. Point is as mentioned above there is a ton of that stuff out there 4-sale very cheap and it is a much better system than any stock belts.
Most belts have the quick release fixture attached to the crotch but in most cases you can run the 5-point fixture using just the 2-point 3" lap belt. Personally I have no problem using the 5 point system in the Jeep even running them loose as some level of protection in the event of an accident is better than nothing.
67 cj5,225 Dauntless, D30,chrome molies, detroit, D44, full floating detroit, custom steering, disc all the way around,2 inch lift on 31s, armored up
70 cj6 4 inch lift
I use a 4 point system and really like it
it is not that hard to hook up as the shoulder harness goes to the seat belts
my shoulders are retractable also
now if you go with a 4 or 5 you need seats that are designed for them
I think the 5th point is overkill
So you are using a factory type retractable shoulder belt?...........hooked to 1 side I assume then crosses over?
The 5th belt is normally called a Submarine belt.........in the event of frontal impact its supposed to keep you from sliding down & forward..........the new belts we have in the race car now have 2 crotch belts which now grab your legs and not your Ballxxxxxxxxxx.
Thanks for the help and information. I saw a link to summit racing and showed somthing like 30 bucks for a full set up, like a garage sale or something, but whatever I end up using I'm mounting it to the frame.
Just to clarify my earlier statement regarding loose belts............In Drag racing I am strapped in with shoulder & lap belts pulled tight, inside a compact roll cage, the Hans devise attached to my helmet limits even more motion but all the controls I need are within inches and the ride is only for 6 seconds.
I would not advocate that a proper way to treat safety restraints I'e; lap belts & a shoulder harness should be they are left loose , but given the option of having nothing and still being able to shift the Transmission , tune the radio Etc. I personally would take that risk just to have that small extra level of protection in the event of an upset. Just my Opinion!
Oh I know, i would never have them flopping around but tight enough to, like you said, reach everything as well. But I also meant that i'll have to play around with the seat placement, and belt placement as to the most effective area to put everything.
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