Is there such thing as a INTEGRATED bulb turn signal switch for cj7 jeeps? :0

[76cj7chick]

Hi there jeepers!

Workn' on my Heep...

I upgraded the tail lights to LEDs INTEGRATED bulbs and 1157 (dual filament) turn/park lights..

However, I've read that the stock turn signal switch WON'T run the integrated bulbs... And I've noticed mine only will do the park/running lights but the turns don't work still...

Bulbs work fine. Lots of great grounds. Flashers work. -I was doubtful, so changed out NEW flashers for another pair... Still nothing.. Primary/hot wires are correct... Just no turn flashys... At times, they seem to try but I think that the oem turn signal switch CAN'T work integrated lights...

If anyone knows of a after-market turn signal switch that will work with integrated bulbs PLEASE let me know the part number!

By the way.. I've tried LED no load flashers... Still nothing...

 

[BusaDave9]

The issue is the LED lights have much lower resistance than the OEM bulbs. You can add resistance but that will dim the turn signals. You are better off getting an LED turn signal flasher. This is similar to the OEM flasher but for LED lights.
LED Turn Signal Flasher Fix [FLASHER-RELAY] - $9.99

 

[76cj7chick]

The issue is the LED lights have much lower resistance than the OEM bulbs. You can add resistance but that will dim the turn signals. You are better off getting an LED turn signal flasher. This is similar to the OEM flasher but for LED lights.
LED Turn Signal Flasher Fix [FLASHER-RELAY] - $9.99

Howdy Mr Busa...

Thanks for your suggestion.. Only I have tried the no load LED flashers.. The one with two prongs, like my fuse box has, but also they have the ground wire... Still no worky... :dunno:

 

[BusaDave9]

Howdy Ms. CJ Chick.
An LED flasher has 3 connectors. The 3rd prong needs to go to ground. To make it work you need short wires as adapters to plug it into the fuse box. Another option is to get one of these:

2 Pin Variable Load Electronic LED Flasher With Ground Wire: AnythingTruck.com, Truck & Trailer Parts and Accessories Warehouse

That would allow you to plug it in where the oem flasher is but still allow you to ground it with the wire.

 

[76cj7chick]

Howdy Ms. CJ Chick.
An LED flasher has 3 connectors. The 3rd prong needs to go to ground. To make it work you need short wires as adapters to plug it into the fuse box. Another option is to get one of these:

2 Pin Variable Load Electronic LED Flasher With Ground Wire: AnythingTruck.com, Truck & Trailer Parts and Accessories Warehouse

That would allow you to plug it in where the oem flasher is but still allow you to ground it with the wire.

Thanks for your thoughts.. I'm a little "under the weather" so to speak and will get some pictures of the LED flasher that I tried asap..
Also, if you have a drawing/picture (preferably not stock as its confusing) of how to wire up the front turn/markers to the front park lights I would be much appreciative!

I have two wires on the side marker sockets.... One is ground correct? The other to both turn and park or just one?

 

[SCSEAJAYSEVEN]

76cj7chick,

Are just the taillights LED or all of the turn signal bulbs/lights LED?

Sounds like your problem is not the flasher unit or the T/S switch. LED lights draw less current (resistance) than a regular incandescent light bulb. The flasher unit is not getting enough load to cause it to work correctly. You said that the lights "try" to flash. That tells me that the problem is with the load on the T/S flasher system. What you will need is a LED "load equalizer" wired in with the turn signal wiring. One each is needed, one for the left, one for the right. As the front T/S light on each side is wired to flash the rear T/S light at the same time, there is not enough load on the wire circuit to make the flasher unit work.

I buy "LED load equalizers" from Autozone, (2 to a package with connectors for about $12), and wire them as the instructions that come with them. One lead to the T/S wire, the other lead to ground. These put an added "load" on the T/S circuit that makes the existing flasher work.

As for the side marker lights, one wire to the T/S wire the other to ground. For added "coolness", wire one side marker lead to the T/S wire, and the other lead to the park/tail light wire. With the parking lights or headlights on, when the T/S is activated, either side or with the 4 way flashers on, the side marker light will flash alternately with the T/S.

LED bulbs are really low amperage draw on the light system, but the T/S flasher unit is still "old school" technology. With the load equalizers wired in with the LED/ T/S wiring, the flasher unit is fooled into thinking that "old school" bulbs are in the circuit. There are lots of writeups about wiring in LED lights here on the interweb... Hope this helps...

 

[76cj7chick]

Hi SCSEAJAYSEVEN....(wow your name is long)


I have ALL LEDs... (Except the headlights but they are on a different circuit/fuse) Front marker/park, side marker/park and rear lights are all leds...

By the way, All of my dash lights are now LEDs too and they work perfectly.. But I guess they don't flash...


In the mean time,

Here are some pictures of the LED Flashers I tried and since took out...
After I installed the LED flashers--- they didn't work properly--- still... So I read that I needed some "Resistors"... Got four... But checked with the ohm meter and they read "o" ohms.... --from one end to the other... Did I check it wrong? Or are they bad resistors?

I just hope everyone giving all this advice on the internet aren't trolls..

ALSO-----
I tried my lights and ALL park lights come on but now won't flash at all... Should I reinstall the LED flashers or just get the "LED load equalizer?"

Thanks!

 

[76cj7chick]

76cj7chick,

Are just the taillights LED or all of the turn signal bulbs/lights LED?

Sounds like your problem is not the flasher unit or the T/S switch. LED lights draw less current (resistance) than a regular incandescent light bulb. The flasher unit is not getting enough load to cause it to work correctly. You said that the lights "try" to flash. That tells me that the problem is with the load on the T/S flasher system. What you will need is a LED "load equalizer" wired in with the turn signal wiring. One each is needed, one for the left, one for the right. As the front T/S light on each side is wired to flash the rear T/S light at the same time, there is not enough load on the wire circuit to make the flasher unit work.

I buy "LED load equalizers" from Autozone, (2 to a package with connectors for about $12), and wire them as the instructions that come with them. One lead to the T/S wire, the other lead to ground. These put an added "load" on the T/S circuit that makes the existing flasher work.

As for the side marker lights, one wire to the T/S wire the other to ground. For added "coolness", wire one side marker lead to the T/S wire, and the other lead to the park/tail light wire. With the parking lights or headlights on, when the T/S is activated, either side or with the 4 way flashers on, the side marker light will flash alternately with the T/S.

LED bulbs are really low amperage draw on the light system, but the T/S flasher unit is still "old school" technology. With the load equalizers wired in with the LED/ T/S wiring, the flasher unit is fooled into thinking that "old school" bulbs are in the circuit. There are lots of writeups about wiring in LED lights here on the interweb... Hope this helps...

Hey!
I just looked up the LED load equalizers from autozone... Looks like that is what I bought elsewhere... Could you tell me what the resistance (ohms) are supposed to be for the two wires? I got "0" on ALL four... Is that correct? Did I check them right?

 

[76cj7chick]

Soooooooooooooo, Just to clear up any confusion...

To wire up the 2 wire Side marker/park light with 1157 bulb *dual filament led), I wire one wire to the front turn signal wire and the other to the park/running light wire at the front?

Or does one of the 2 wires from the SIde marker light have to be ground?

Believe me this is a serious question...

 

[SCSEAJAYSEVEN]

Soooooooooooooo, Just to clear up any confusion...

To wire up the 2 wire Side marker/park light with 1157 bulb *dual filament led), I wire one wire to the front turn signal wire and the other to the park/running light wire at the front?

Or does one of the 2 wires from the SIde marker light have to be ground?

Believe me this is a serious question...

Side marker light bulbs are not usually 1157 dual filament bulbs. They are usually the 194 mini bulb, push in type. You can wire those, one lead to the park lights and the other lead to the T/S wiring. This will cause alternating flashing lights when the T/S is on, or you can wire one lead to ground and the other to the T/S wiring for "same" flashing with the turn signal. If you use 194LED bulbs, they are polarized to work in one direction. If yours don't work, take the bulb out, turn it over 1/2 turn, and push it back in.

1157 bulbs are not used in the Jeep side marker lights. Do you have some other aftermarket side marker lights that are not Jeep model lights? If so, that will change a lot of things.

You will need "load equalizers" in both the right and left turn signal circuit along with a LED flasher. Even an EP12 heavy duty T/S flasher will work. The LEDs don't put enough load on the circuit to make the flasher unit work.


P.S. I don't know what the ohm resistance is of the load equalizers are, but one lead goes to the T/S wire, and the other goes to the ground wire or body ground. LEDs park/tail/turn lights have 3 wires. WHITE is ground, BLACK is park/tail. and RED is always the stop/turn circuit. Hope this helps, keep me posted... Bert

 

[76cj7chick]

Side marker light bulbs are not usually 1157 dual filament bulbs. They are usually the 194 mini bulb, push in type. You can wire those, one lead to the park lights and the other lead to the T/S wiring. This will cause alternating flashing lights when the T/S is on, or you can wire one lead to ground and the other to the T/S wiring for "same" flashing with the turn signal. If you use 194LED bulbs, they are polarized to work in one direction. If yours don't work, take the bulb out, turn it over 1/2 turn, and push it back in.

1157 bulbs are not used in the Jeep side marker lights. Do you have some other aftermarket side marker lights that are not Jeep model lights? If so, that will change a lot of things.

You will need "load equalizers" in both the right and left turn signal circuit along with a LED flasher. Even an EP12 heavy duty T/S flasher will work. The LEDs don't put enough load on the circuit to make the flasher unit work.


P.S. I don't know what the ohm resistance is of the load equalizers are, but one lead goes to the T/S wire, and the other goes to the ground wire or body ground. LEDs park/tail/turn lights have 3 wires. WHITE is ground, BLACK is park/tail. and RED is always the stop/turn circuit. Hope this helps, keep me posted... Bert

You better be careful SCSEAJAYSEVEN.... I may just have to kiss you.. on the cheek if this works... I will let ya all know if it works :drool: or if I'm hopeless...

 

[SCSEAJAYSEVEN]

I am puckered with my best duck face, waiting impatiently...

 

[76cj7chick]

I am puckered with my best duck face, waiting impatiently...

 

[SCSEAJAYSEVEN]

Does your T/S's work properly now?

 

[76cj7chick]

Does your T/S's work properly now?

I haven't gotten to fixing yet. Hopefully this week I can get it done... But I'm currently searching for an in-tank fuel pump assembly for my jeep that is 12-15psi which is needed for my GM TBI..:grinjeep: (I know most people go for in line pump but where I had it on the tranny skid plate was too far from the tank and didn't work well. But I digress....


I will let you (all) know if the LEDs work with your suggestions...

 

[76cj7chick]

Does your T/S's work properly now?

HOWDY! Thought I would update you on how the turn signal wiring is going...

I was able to confirm that my brake lights and turn lights ARE integrated in the same wire... (I watched a simple way to test on-line)

I ALSO wanted to hook up my Trailer plug, so I purchased a 6way reese kit. (The kit came with a plastic male side and I already had a aluminum one so, used the aluminum one instead.)

AND Well... The manufacturer marked the wires on the LED lights WRONG! (the turn signal light was REALLY the white backup light etc,.... So, after we double checked it and labeled the back with painters tape I was ready to cut off THEIR two connectors and INSTALLED weather pack terminals, soldered them for an extra insurance and then installed a single weatherpack water resistant connector.. This was easier to deal with than two connectors... (The last picture is BEFORE I knew that the Turnsignal and brake were integraded) ---so I was wrong... But with everyone's help, have since corrected this issue..

After that I installed the led flashers with a good ground and four LED equalizers


AND SO........ To make a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNGGGG "struggle"/story short-----------I FINALLY finished it!
And THEY WORK! T
HANKS AGAIN!
Here are some pictures of some of the process, but not all...


Would you suggest that I should use any heat paste under the equalizers or should they be okay? ..... :bounce:

 

[SCSEAJAYSEVEN]

Hi, Chickie!
I don't think you would need the heat paste for the equalizers as you have them mounted on a plate which will help dissipate the heat generated.

Glad you got everything hooked up and all lights are working correctly. I LOVE all of the LEDs in my Jeeps, they make a fashion statement!!