Mounting a Power Steeting pump on a Hurricane F4

[edk]

Has anyone tried mounting a power steering pump on a Hurricane F4 engine? I think I can fabricate a mount but if there is someone that has done it before I would really be interested knowing how you accomplished it! Regardless it looks like it will be a pain. Someone said jack the power steering pump up and put a different engine underneath it! That hurt.
Ed K

 

[tarry99]

Well that someone who said get another engine wasn't that far off. If I remember that 4 cyl. is about 75 HP?, bolt P/Steering on it and it will take 15+ HP away.
Notwithstanding you have some work to do to convert your old Ross steering over to say a GM Saginaw P/S box. The other thing is that old 4 banger had the big 3/4" drive belts and most PS pumps have the smaller belt system, so pulleys could be an issue.
Now not to say that all of these obstacles including fabricating a mount to hang that pump off of is not impossible , but just do your homework before you start.

 

[edk]

Well that someone who said get another engine wasn't that far off. If I remember that 4 cyl. is about 75 HP?, bolt P/Steering on it and it will take 15+ HP away.
Notwithstanding you have some work to do to convert your old Ross steering over to say a GM Saginaw P/S box. The other thing is that old 4 banger had the big 3/4" drive belts and most PS pumps have the smaller belt system, so pulleys could be an issue.
Now not to say that all of these obstacles including fabricating a mount to hang that pump off of is not impossible , but just do your homework before you start.

I'm beginning to feel that way but I must admit this is my 5th Jeep build and I really wanted something a bit different with this '63. The F4 is totally rebuilt now. I upped the compression from 7.0:1 to 9.5:1 and put a lot of time and effort in block and cylinder head preparation. I had it on the dyno a few years ago when I finished it and it did very well for what it is. It produced 112 hp and 165 ft/lbs of torque at 3200 rpm. Will it stay together? I hope so, it was very carefully built. I used to build race car engines and I think this should be reliable power, but maybe just not enough!
I'm using 31 X 10.50 BF Goodrich Mud Terrain tires, a 1978 Dana 30 front end with an AGR SB2 power steering box and AGR pump for the steering set up. It has 4:88 gears and Detroit Truetracs front and rear. I installed disc brakes on both front and rear axles and put the Warn axle kit with locking hubs in the Dana 44 rear.
I've been working on this Jeep off and on for about 5 years now and I'm really beginning to think I should have just built another engine altogether for it. I have the alternator brackets fabricated and started looking at the power steering pump and wondering if anyone else had tried it. I saw pictures of a set up once long ago but can't remember how it was done.
At this point I'm test fitting everything before I tackle the body and begin final assembly. The drive train and frame are completely done now.
I know it's not a money making thing when building a Jeep. That's why I view it as a hobby and it helps me keep my sanity with the job I have. There isn't a nut, bolt,washer, seal, bearing, gear etc that I haven't rebuilt or replaced. I guess I could always keep the engine on the stand as a conversation piece! I see you can by a rebuilt Dauntless Buick 225 V6 long block for about $1700 and an adapter kit for about $400. I may post some pictures of the build sometime. I've never done it but some people might be interested. I call it the '63 "resto-mod", my wife has another name for it but I don't think this is an appropriate place for it to be used. Anyway thanks for your help.
Ed K

 

[edk]

I'm beginning to feel that way but I must admit this is my 5th Jeep build and I really wanted something a bit different with this '63. The F4 is totally rebuilt now. I upped the compression from 7.0:1 to 9.5:1 and put a lot of time and effort in block and cylinder head preparation. I had it on the dyno a few years ago when I finished it and it did very well for what it is. It produced 112 hp and 165 ft/lbs of torque at 3200 rpm. Will it stay together? I hope so, it was very carefully built. I used to build race car engines and I think this should be reliable power, but maybe just not enough!
I'm using 31 X 10.50 BF Goodrich Mud Terrain tires, a 1978 Dana 30 front end with an AGR SB2 power steering box and AGR pump for the steering set up. It has 4:88 gears and Detroit Truetracs front and rear. I installed disc brakes on both front and rear axles and put the Warn axle kit with locking hubs in the Dana 44 rear.
I've been working on this Jeep off and on for about 5 years now and I'm really beginning to think I should have just built another engine altogether for it. I have the alternator brackets fabricated and started looking at the power steering pump and wondering if anyone else had tried it. I saw pictures of a set up once long ago but can't remember how it was done.
At this point I'm test fitting everything before I tackle the body and begin final assembly. The drive train and frame are completely done now.
I know it's not a money making thing when building a Jeep. That's why I view it as a hobby and it helps me keep my sanity with the job I have. There isn't a nut, bolt,washer, seal, bearing, gear etc that I haven't rebuilt or replaced. I guess I could always keep the engine on the stand as a conversation piece! I see you can by a rebuilt Dauntless Buick 225 V6 long block for about $1700 and an adapter kit for about $400. I may post some pictures of the build sometime. I've never done it but some people might be interested. I call it the '63 "resto-mod", my wife has another name for it but I don't think this is an appropriate place for it to be used. Anyway thanks for your help.
Ed K

I forgot to mention, the pulley problem you mentioned may be an issue. I haven't found the larger pulley yet for the the pump, but I haven't tried that hard. I am trying to figure out if I can change the starter motor for a lightweight newer version. It looks like a Ford 302 started may work but again I haven't heard of anyone trying it!
Ed K

 

[tarry99]

EdK
I'm glad your attitude is still positive regarding the build. I was just pointing out some obstacles that I have crossed in the past. Building a bracket for the pump is really no big deal , and I've modified pulleys like that years back by just boring out the center of a donor P/S pulley and marry it to the 3/4" pulley. If you do that just leave a step in one that allows the two to be aligned properly before you weld it back together.
If your not looking for MPH then your setup will work for just cruising around.
Go for it!

 

[edk]

Good advice on the pulley. My son has built a couple of CJ7 's and he was the one I can blame for convincing me to put all my faith (and money) in the little F4. At least that works for me. I swore I'd never do another Jeep after this one but a friend of mine just sent me a picture of a 2A and I'm wavering a bit. The little 4 cylinder might work just fine in that one! Thanks again.
Ed K

 

[Sasquach]

Good advice on the pulley. My son has built a couple of CJ7 's and he was the one I can blame for convincing me to put all my faith (and money) in the little F4. At least that works for me. I swore I'd never do another Jeep after this one but a friend of mine just sent me a picture of a 2A and I'm wavering a bit. The little 4 cylinder might work just fine in that one! Thanks again.
Ed K

The Huricane engine is too tall for a 2A, that is why the 3B was created with the high hood to accept the new Fhead. The 2A would have had a flat head 4.
If your not planning on highway speeds the Huricane is great little motor and will get you where you need to go.

 

[edk]

The Huricane engine is too tall for a 2A, that is why the 3B was created with the high hood to accept the new Fhead. The 2A would have had a flat head 4.
If your not planning on highway speeds the Huricane is great little motor and will get you where you need to go.

Good point on the F head. I remember putting a Ford 6 cylinder in a 1948 CJ2a years ago (1972 or something like that) when I was 19 and somehow I made that work. But then again, I doubt that the installation was pretty. My brother and I took that little thing from southern Alberta all the way to Whitehorse in the Yukon in 1973 for a road trip. It never missed a beat. I traded it in on a 1972 GMC Jimmy a year later - dumb move!

 

[Sasquach]

It has been done before and here's a pic I found, looks like a factory mount but owner said was added?

 

[edk]

Thanks for the picture. Looks to me like a pump and mount from a late 80's or early 90's Cherokee that has been "modified". I have a pair of those sitting around here somewhere. I've put a lot of thought into this again........I'm looking for a Dauntless Buick 225 V6 , at least for the moment. It looks you can pick up a rebuilt long block for about $1400. There seems to be lots of cores around for a pretty reasonable price. I guess if you add the adapter, bellhousing and motor mounts, I may be able to get do it all for about $2500. I'm afraid to look a the receipts for the F134 Hurricane because I know it was a lot more than that. But hey, then if I ever sell it, I will have the original motor to offer for almost nothing!! I haven't completely made up my mind yet but I must admit when I really think about the practicality of the whole thing, it probably makes more sense to install the little V6, and by the look of it I'll loose about 100 pounds of weight to boot. Thanks for all your help.
Ed K

 

[tarry99]

Edk

I think that's a good choice going to a V-6 of any make. They fit in there quite nicely and are trail proven.
I have the little Buick V-6 in my 65 CJ and at 225+ ft lbs of torque along with the proper gearing it will pretty much do anything you ask. Good Luck with your project.

 

[Sasquach]

If you go the V6 route try listing the F134 Hurricane on the CJ3b page if wanting to unload it.CJ3B Bulletin Board

 

[edk]

Thanks, I may try that. It's a great looking engine and ready to run.
Ed K

 

[BC CJ]

Hey edk. Hi from Kelowna BC. If you decide to use the F134 Hurricane check out this book:

Jeep CJ Rebuilder's Manual 1946-1971 by Moses Ludel

He rebuilds a 1955 CJ5 with that engine and he builds a custom mount for a power steering pump. I have his other rebuilders manual (72-86) and there is some mention of this mount in it but I suspect there is a detailed, photo filled description in the 46-71 book.