Need help with PS
Need help with PS
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I think answered this once before......If the Buick donor has a V6 or V8 with power steering then get the power steering pump , mounts and pulley's off the water pump and crank.The steering gear you need is a Saginaw 800.......this will have a four bolt mount. This is the same gear that AMC/Jeep used from the late 70's throughout the 80's......on all the CJ's.
I would suggest that you buy a reconditioned gear from someone that knows what there doing like Tom Lee steering in So Cal. This insures that you will get the performance you want that is not junk yard used & worn out.....the donor used pump will also need a rebuild..........the frame horn on the drivers side will have to be modified in order to accept the gear. The old column will have to be modified as well as the steering shaft from the column to the gear box and also the tie rod and drag link.........not hard but there are several things you have to wrap your arms around to complete the project. Advanced adapters sells a kit with the mounts and frame plates........but you can build them yourself.............go on the EarlyCJ5 website and look under forums and builds and there is a complete section showing how others including mine were installed.
Here is a few photo's of the gearbox on my 65 CJ once installed.
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The steering gear you need is a Saginaw 800.......this will have a four bolt mount. This is the same gear that AMC/Jeep used from the late 70's throughout the 80's......on all the CJ's.
I would suggest that you buy a reconditioned gear from someone that knows what there doing like Tom Lee steering in So Cal. This insures that you will get the performance you want that is not junk yard used & worn out.....the donor used pump will also need a rebuild..........the frame horn on the drivers side will have to be modified in order to accept the gear. The old column will have to be modified as well as the steering shaft from the column to the gear box and also the tie rod and drag link.........not hard but there are several things you have to wrap your arms around to complete the project. Advanced adapters sells a kit with the mounts and frame plates........but you can build them yourself.............go on the EarlyCJ5 website and look under forums and builds and there is a complete section showing how others including mine were installed.
Here is a few photo's of the gearbox on my 65 CJ once installed.
Sorry being a newbie with jeep( four bolt meaning>> the mounting bolt rite...?
also I have pulled the pump pulley and the mount bracket from 77 Dauntless Buick 225 V6 Skyhawk.)))
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Sorry being a newbie with jeep( four bolt meaning>> the mounting bolt rite...?
also I have pulled the pump pulley and the mount bracket from 77 Dauntless Buick 225 V6 Skyhawk.)))
No Problem........Yes 4 bolts
Best guy around is Lee Powersteering.com in So Cal.
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No Problem........Yes 4 bolts
Best guy around is Lee Powersteering.com in So Cal.
awesome... I think I have most of the parts ready, just missing few things
In process of uninstalling the old Saginaw box and steering column.... can't seems to get the U-joint to release
Ive got the bolts from top to bottom of columns (Ujoints) however its not releasing
Do I need to hammer them out? ty
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wow.... didn't realize that my steering column are attached to the shaft ((( shorting the shaft prox 16" inch with adjustable shaft to fit in the new power steering gearbox. It took all day to make it fit, just hoping its going to work out.
"Its fun building" however a lot more difficult than I anticipated.....
"Its fun building" however a lot more difficult than I anticipated.....
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Next post , Helps if your pictures are orientated correctly for viewing......What ever the prior owner did to install these shafts before would be unknown to anyone here..........If your not going to use the junk again, just cut it out.
Post some better pictures and will try to help.
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Next post , Helps if your pictures are orientated correctly for viewing......What ever the prior owner did to install these shafts before would be unknown to anyone here..........If your not going to use the junk again, just cut it out.
Post some better pictures and will try to help.
Oops~ sorry about the previous picture post) I`ll post up rite pictures next time, I was under the jeep wen I took the pix
Yes... Previous owner had large U Joint shaft, I have replaced them with cj shaft at the moment (Picked them at local Jeep shop for $25) 16" shaft with 4" extend and gear box with four bolts have been mounted already.
Currently working on the pump and the pulley... old pulley i have pulled from donor Buick 77 skyhawk v 6 didnt fit
found dual pulley to make it work)
Dorman® OE Solutions™ - Power Steering Pulley
Part # 300-121
MasterPro® Power Steering - Power Steering Pump
Part # 20-7920
4 mounting holes
4.25 turns lock to lock
13/16 diam input shaft
36 spline input shaft
1.25 diam output shaft
Flare fittings
4.25 turns)
MasterPro® Power Steering - Power Steering Gear
Part # 27-6537
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OK............Are you just going to drive this on the street? No big tires or off road in the mud? No highway driving?
If you see much freeway driving the little short 81" wheelbase Jeeps have a history of hunting around in the lanes at speed........most like to use a variable ratio gear box series 800 like the rebuilt one you have found....... whereby the box is slow in motion when pointed straight ahead and becomes faster out at the ends when turning L or R.
This of course means that going down the freeway slight motions by your hand on the wheel do not transmit a quick reaction to the gear box and front wheels........that makes these old Jeeps interesting to drive at speed, this is how most new cars are.
Big tires and off road the stock pump will be over taxed....the good re-builders turn up the pressure some that helps that issue.
Choices?
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OK............Are you just going to drive this on the street? No big tires or off road in the mud? No highway driving?
If you see much freeway driving the little short 81" wheelbase Jeeps have a history of hunting around in the lanes at speed........most like to use a variable ratio gear box series 800 like the rebuilt one you have found....... whereby the box is slow in motion when pointed straight ahead and becomes faster out at the ends when turning L or R.
This of course means that going down the freeway slight motions by your hand on the wheel do not transmit a quick reaction to the gear box and front wheels........that makes these old Jeeps interesting to drive at speed, this is how most new cars are.
Big tires and off road the stock pump will be over taxed....the good re-builders turn up the pressure some that helps that issue.
Choices?
Thanks for the info) planning on driving on the street and off road few times.... not much of freeway driving tho,,,,
Just installed the new dual pulley today
It lined up perfect
Rechecking all the bolts and mounting bolts tomorrow morning, Im ready to bleed the steering pump.
short) and very long painful process