Sachs clutch

[thistle3585]

I am swapping a '72 AMC 304 for my '79 AMC 304 . As part of the deal, the seller threw in a new clutch kit. The old is on the left and new on the right. In looking at kits at Morris and it says their kits cover '72-'75 and '76-'79. I'm trying to figure out if I can use the one on the right, a Sachs, with the '72 engine and '79 bell housing. What may or may not complicate things is that the seller also included a T-18 with bell housing but I want to use my stock T-150 . Just trying to understand what does and doesn't go together. The Sachs clutch is part #MF 265. When shopping for parts like this, how do you know whether to go with the '72 or '79? Also, this is an around town driver.

 

[johnnyreb]

Does the new one fit your flywheel? I prefer the newer finger type of pressure plates. The flywheel would be more critical than the clutch and pressure plate. I once installed a ford 300 6-cyl flywheel on a 289, talk about a lope in my engine.
I would use the correct flywheel for the motor than see if the new plate and disc install.

 

[Hedgehog]

You are aware that the T-18 is a far stronger Transmission , right? I suppose if you are check the splines, if they interchange you should be good to go ..... Also check the pilot bearing size.

 

[BusaDave9]

Put in the T-18 . It's the best Transmission to ever go into a CJ. It's a 4 speed and the T-150 is a 3 speed.
http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f105/manual-cj-transmissions-12112/

 

[thistle3585]

Thanks guys. I got a bunch of stuff in the deal when I bought my motor and I'm not sure what goes with what. The flywheel seems to match up to my old one, which had the teeth rounded on the corners. I'll see if the new clutch matches up to it and go from there.

Not interested in installing the T-18 as I wont be doing any off roading. Its an around town driver and I think the T-150 will suit me fine. I'm selling off the T-18 , Dana 20 and bell housing to pay for other parts.

 

[NorthwestCJer]

A 72' came with a T-15 , not a T-150 . but you should be able to use your original disc and the newer style pressure plate. All AMC 304 's use the same flywheel. Check the gearing on the T-18 and throw it up for sale. You should be able to pull a decent dollar from it.
Good luck.

 

[Hedgehog]

Can't do it right now, but I lust for a T-18 . The T-18 would do just fine around town, it is basicly a 3 speed, with a compound gear used for serious pulling or crawling. I had the Ford truck version in my '80 CJ5 and loved loved loved it. Right now you think your jeep is an around town vehicle, but you never know when your going to be out in the real world and need a little more than what the T-150 can offer.

 

[thistle3585]

Can't do it right now, but I lust for a T-18 . The T-18 would do just fine around town, it is basicly a 3 speed, with a compound gear used for serious pulling or crawling. I had the Ford truck version in my '80 CJ5 and loved loved loved it. Right now you think your jeep is an around town vehicle, but you never know when your going to be out in the real world and need a little more than what the T-150 can offer.

Well, when you're ready for one then let me know. In my "real world", I have other vehicles to meet the needs that this one can't achieve. My goal is to have a stock CJ5 . No lift. No winches. No upgrades that allow me to climb vertical walls. Just the base model Jeep that got me hooked on them 30 years ago.

 

[JR74CJ5]

The T-150 was factory married to the AMC engines, so its not a problem at all (as you know since you already had the T-150 to your old AMC 304 ). As someone said above the spline count, shaft diameter, and pilot bushing ID is what counts for clutch install.

The clutch you need for the T-150 is: 1-1/16" x 10 splines and the pilot tip is ~17mm. (according to Novak - The Borg Warner T150 Jeep Transmission - Novak Conversions )

The new clutch you got with the T-18 I assume matches / is for the T-18 , but unforchunatley there are many versions of the T-18 . The most popular / accessible is the ford version with has the same specs of the T-150 input shaft above. (from again Novak - The Borg-Warner T18 & T19 Transmissions - Novak Conversions )

I'd use the newer style one (clutch kit, your original question) if it all fits correctly. Or spring for the centerforce kit. Or just OEM kit as you're not going to be off road and burning it constantly...


~ Jr

 

[Hedgehog]

Hmmm you grabbed up the "real worl" thing, I like it! Ohh I suppose I'm beating a dead horse. By-The-Way if it is an original CJ Jeep T-18 it was offered as an option through '79. Just sayin'.

 

[JR74CJ5]

Ohh I suppose I'm beating a dead horse. By-The Way if it is an original CJ Jeep T-18 it was offered as an option through '79. Just sayin'.

I get it though! OP states he knows and understands the T-18 is more sought after, and is awesome, and also realizes it will help fund some things he will truly love and use on his rig besides this bad T-18 ...

I can Dig it...


~ Jr

 

[thistle3585]

Well, the good news is that I don't have to make a decision on the clutch anytime soon but the bad news is the T-150 is shot. I had a Transmission shop look at it today and they said it needed a full rebuild which is going to cost $800. Does that sound fair? Anyhow, I'm taking the T-18 to them tomorrow to look at and tell me its condition before deciding what direction to take. I need to do a bit of research on what needs to happen IF I end up putting the T-18 in. Any place to buy a rebuilt T-150 ? Is it difficult to rebuild? Are there any special tools?

 

[JR74CJ5]

Is it difficult to rebuild? Are there any special tools?

Rebuilding the T-150
The T-150 is simple and enjoyable to rebuild. Many shadetree mechanics do very outstanding rebuilds if they have access to a press, snap ring pliers and bearing pullers. Many choose to do a full rebuild during the adaptation process, and our instruction guides feature all the details, diagrams, pics and tricks required to do professional level work.

According to Novak, not too bad... They probably sell the kit to do the rebuild too.

Parts for the Jeep T150 Transmission

What did the shop say was actually "wrong" with the T-150 ? If it needs gears and such, and not a seals and bearings rebuild, were talking a little different in cost...


~ Jr

 

[thistle3585]

According to Novak, not too bad... They probably sell the kit to do the rebuild too.

Parts for the Jeep T150 Transmission

What did the shop say was actually "wrong" with the T-150 ? If it needs gears and such, and not a seals and bearings rebuild, were talking a little different in cost...


~ Jr

Yes, they said it needed a gear and there was some brass "shrapnel" in the gear box. I believe it needs third gear. I found a "Jeep guy" that rebuilds them as a hobby, and he said he had one that he hadn't gone through that he'd sell me for $100. If I wanted him to rebuild it then it would be between $200-$300. I am going to sell the T-18 and get the T-150 from him. Just trying to get an idea of the value of the T-18 in order to move it along.