1986 CJ Rollbar

[tarry99]

That's a bunch of
People can die in rollovers for lots of reasons.......
And plenty of folks have walked away from roll overs with the factory bar and top.
I've never seen a factory bar pull thru and out of the sheet metal where I live.
And I've seen a lot of nasty Jeep rollovers.
Of course, you have your opinion and I will tell you mine....

Hagar:
Your opinion is always welcome when it adds something credible to the conversation.... but your "Dead Wrong" on this subject.

I stand by my quote as written:

"people have to understand that without proper frame support both front and rear in the event of a roll over the roll bar / cage effectiveness will be compromised ........"

You suggest that its OK to be reckless and do a substandard install because people die in rollovers for lots of reasons........what kind of statement is that?

This site is about giving good sound advise to help people fix problems understand risks and avoid injuries and possible death............ Installing a roll bar without proper bracing is not worth the time simply because the end result is already known ie; "No Protection"

If you think its OK to put yourself in "Harms Way" then by all means have at it and will send flowers, but don't suggest that it's OK for anyone else to take your uninformed advice.

 

[cj7inthetwigs]

To roll or not to roll? How many times have y'all seen a motorcycle rider blazing down the road without a helmet? I look at a rollcage like this. When I am at work, I must tie off above 4',that means a body harness and DOUBLE lanyards. The tie off point must be capable of supporting
5,000 lbs. Why, sounds overboard! Well I can agree to some point, but in the same sentence have I never heard of someone falling and becoming wheelchair bound or worse. Murphys law is always hanging out and safety never takes a vacation. Then again, I wear chainsaw chaps, face mask, leather gloves, and hardtoe boots when I weedeat around the property. I do what I feel like I should do in order to go home at the end of the day in the same condition I started in. I believe if your gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough. So put on your flip flops and cut-off blue jeans and get to welding up that leaky gas tank. my 2 cents plus what was under the sofa cushions.

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[Old Dog]

All I can say is I feel much safer with my cage welded to the frame.
When I cames to my safety I prefer things to be over built not under built.

 

[hagar]

Hagar:
Your opinion is always welcome when it adds something credible to the conversation.... but your "Dead Wrong" on this subject.

I stand by my quote as written:

"people have to understand that without proper frame support both front and rear in the event of a roll over the roll bar / cage effectiveness will be compromised ........"

You suggest that its OK to be reckless and do a substandard install because people die in rollovers for lots of reasons........what kind of statement is that?

This site is about giving good sound advise to help people fix problems understand risks and avoid injuries and possible death............ Installing a roll bar without proper bracing is not worth the time simply because the end result is already known ie; "No Protection"

If you think its OK to put yourself in "Harms Way" then by all means have at it and will send flowers, but don't suggest that it's OK for anyone else to take your uninformed advice.

you don't get it.......I'm not dead wrong. You don't need frame tie-ins to be safe.

Uninformed ????? yea, that's it. I'm a newbe.

I'm tired of trying to explain it...to folks like you who get their only information from the www.
And I tire of posting the photos on the www, to show folks like you, that the factory, non-frame mounted roll bars work just fine; either factory or dealer installed.

But if I must once again do that, I'll dig them out....maybe.

But first, let's see what proof you have and post the pictures of that proof: factory, un-altered floor/fender mounted roll bars that have failed in the method you say they will.

I'll even let you surf the web to locate them since that's where all your info comes from.
The pictures I have in my possession were taken by me, or another employee where I worked..

balls in your court........

 

[mtnwhlr]

you don't get it.......I'm not dead wrong. You don't need frame tie-ins to be safe.

Uninformed ????? yea, that's it. I'm a newbe.

I'm tired of trying to explain it...to folks like you who get their only information from the www.
And I tire of posting the photos on the www, to show folks like you, that the factory, non-frame mounted roll bars work just fine; either factory or dealer installed.

But if I must once again do that, I'll dig them out....maybe.

But first, let's see what proof you have and post the pictures of that proof: factory, un-altered floor/fender mounted roll bars that have failed in the method you say they will.

I'll even let you surf the web to locate them since that's where all your info comes from.
The pictures I have in my possession were taken by me, or another employee where I worked..

balls in your court........

 

[CJ]

Starting to get out of hand... I,lll fix that now...