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CJ-5A Title Problems, need help

CJ-5A Title Problems, need help
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Olympia, WA
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'64 CJ5A Tuxedo Park


'04 Liberty
Good evening everyone. So a few weekends ago, my Dad and I went out and picked up this CJ-5A Tuxedo Park Park.

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The Jeep came with a title, but it didn't match the vin plate. For some reason we didn't match the vin to the title until 2 days later after spending a few hundred at the DMV.

We searched the CJ for vin numbers, and can't seem to find the one on the frame (pass front on the frame). But we did find the vin on the motor....and it matches the vin on the title!!

Here are several more pics of the CJ and serial number plate, vin on registration, and others. Any info or ideas on what we should do would be great.
Thanks in advance.
Bryan

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Vin on motor
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Reg. Vin
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Frame cleaned off, no vin
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Welcome aboard. So did you register it? I am going to say that it got rebodied at some point and they did not bother to swap the serial plate over. However not sure what to do from here
 
Did you go to the main branch of the DOL

1125 Washington St SE, Olympia, WA 98501

or did you go to one of the state contractor places that charges an extra fee to hand you state paperwork like vehicle registrations, license plates etc?


I think it's fair to say that you don't have the original title.... that means it's "lost," right?

Seems to me that this is apropos

WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: Replace a lost vehicle or boat title

It would be best to confirm this with someone of a supervisory level at the DOL on Washington St SE, though.


-Jon
 
Did you go to the main branch of the DOL

1125 Washington St SE, Olympia, WA 98501

or did you go to one of the state contractor places that charges an extra fee to hand you state paperwork like vehicle registrations, license plates etc?


I think it's fair to say that you don't have the original title.... that means it's "lost," right?

Seems to me that this is apropos

WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: Replace a lost vehicle or boat title

It would be best to confirm this with someone of a supervisory level at the DOL on Washington St SE, though.


-Jon


No we went to one of the contractor places. We did go back in and they ran the vin (on the vin plate), and it hasn't be registered in the past seven years.

I think we will have to go into the main branch and see what they recommend.

Thanks for the info.

Bryan
 
I could be wrong, but my first clue is the screws that hold the VIN Plate on. I think they were originally riveted on. Also the white overspray on the trim code plate buy the VIN Plate is clean. Which would mean that VIN Plate doesn't go with that body. Try looking on the frame over the rear passenger wheel hump. I f it is there and matches the engine, the body has been replaced. Good luck with your title problems.
 
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Going to just toss this out there, but it you've got a valid registration, apply for a missing title (like suggested). Then go here: http://datatags.com/ See if you can get a tag that will match your paperwork and vehicle. I used them to replicate my original VIN plate, that was looking like lace due to rust. Came back perfect.

Just my personal experience, but most LEO's are only concerned about: "License, Registration, and Proof of Insurance'. Unless they are looking for a specific stolen vehicle, they aren't going to crawl around your Jeep looking to match vehicle numbers.
 
The body tag is correct for a Tuxedo Park Park as is the screws.
The number on the engine is the engine SN not VIN
I would suggest cleaning a little more towards the rear from where you were looking on the frame.
If I had to guess on the engine build date I would say July 3 1961.
 
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They did use screws. It's well documented, but that doesn't mean a thing sometimes. A neighbor down the street has a '72 CJ5 . During an inspection the DMV would not pass it due to the screws. They issued a state VIN and confiscated the plate. No matter how much he protested they would not listen. The DMV said, "if it were riveted they wouldn't have said a thing."
 
One of the issues you may be running into is the fact that '64 VIN# does not align with the 17 character VIN #'s used today.
When the '64 VIN is put into the states 'puter. It may well read it as a incorrect/incomplete VIN#
And YES-The screws are correct for the VIN plate of that era. Pretty much done to all cars of that era.
Respectfully,
LG
 
Keep the screws as it should be, you won't have any problems.
 
Going to just toss this out there, but it you've got a valid registration, apply for a missing title (like suggested). Then go here: Tags Backeast, Trim Tags Backeast, Data Plates, A.G.Backeast. We make tags for AMC, Buick, Cadillac, Camaro, Chevelle, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Corvette, Dodge, DeSoto, Edsel, Ford, Frazer, La Salle, Henry J, Kaiser, Lincoln, Mercury, Mustang, Oldsmobile See if you can get a tag that will match your paperwork and vehicle. I used them to replicate my original VIN plate, that was looking like lace due to rust. Came back perfect.

Just my personal experience, but most LEO's are only concerned about: "License, Registration, and Proof of Insurance'. Unless they are looking for a specific stolen vehicle, they aren't going to crawl around your Jeep looking to match vehicle numbers.

We actually got a title, so the new title is on its way. Only problem is it doesn't match the vin on the Jeep. We thought about getting a tag made up for, but if we do that then it's no longer a Vined as a Tuxedo Park Park.
 
The body tag is correct for a Tuxedo Park Park as is the screws.
The number on the engine is the engine SN not VIN
I would suggest cleaning a little more towards the rear from where you were looking on the frame.
If I had to guess on the engine build date I would say July 3 1961.

The vin (we have registration/title for the vin on the vin plate) has the same 7 digits as the stamp on the motor....
 
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The vin (we have registration/title for the vin on the vin plate) has the same 7 digits as the stamp on the motor....
Yes, you have the engine code on your title and registration. Doesn't change the fact the engine code is located on the engine and your Jeep vin is stamped on a metal tag located on the firewall.

Also, if your engine code is stamped 83054J376127 on the water pump boss like it is on your title and registration that is incorrect as well.

Your engine code should be 4J376127 the 8305 isn't part of the code. It's possible the engine was transplanted from a 1961 open body CJ5 . 8305 means open body CJ5 , and the 8305 most likely was added in front of the engine code, that would be my guess.

What does this all mean? It could mean everything, or nothing at all to you or a future potential buyer. Technically your legally covered because the engine code was on the previous title, so you could move forward as normal. However, you have a special model CJ without the proper vin listed on the title and registration. If you were to sell it you would have to inform the buyer (the right thing to do), and not having the proper paperwork would certainly would hurt the sale.

Sometimes those things happen, maybe at one point a previous owner bought your Jeep before they had titles and somehow the engine code was used to register it. Maybe when he sold it titles were then available so the engine code just got passed onto the title.
 
Could it be possible, that the engine was stamped with those numbers by some PO?? :confused:
I'm thinking maybe a frame replacement was done, somewhere along the way.
LG
 
Yes, by a PO, not factory.
 
I would like to ask a question on this subject while there is a couple experts
onboard. I have never really paid attention to numbers as far as engine go,so the question ,did jeep stamp partial vin no. on block like say a gm of the seventys models. You hear a lot of "numbers matching" chatter with the collector crowd. Mostly interested in the Dauntless Buick 225 V6 engine.
Thanks ahead of time , mike
 
The VIN on all vehicles sold in the USA became a standardize 17 space ID in 1977(IIRC).
What makers did before that is a real head-scratcher at times.
LG
 
Jeep never had matching vin/engine code numbers.
 

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