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E-85

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Also I own a 2001 Jeep Cherokee, White, all stock with 4.0L. automatic, and police package. Best part of that is it came with leather seats! This package also has the NP242 Transfer Case, 8.25 rear end, and trailer towing package.
Just wondering if anybody converted their Jeep to usde E-85? I know that you would need to get rid of all rubber componets in the fuel system, not too hard. Juzst wondering about the head. Since E-85 burnzs hotter, any need for changes here? Why? Beccause I have new thoughts and ideas going through my head all the time. Would it be a good idea? Don't know, never heard of anyone trying it. Engine is I6 AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l with MC 2100 carb curently in a frame off restro. Rod
 
At this very moment E85 costs more than gasoline where I am when you figure in the miles you'll get out of a tank. My hunch is that is going to be a trend almost everywhere. Go here and plug in your own numbers: http://www.toflexornottoflex.com/

IMHO E85 was a flop and I wouldn't go out of my way to retrofit it. LOTS of stories about all kinds of failure supposedly related to E85 use although its hard to separate fact from truth with all that info.
 
Ethanol is an engine killer! Gets bad mileage as well. It creates a lean condition in a carb that creates more heat in the engine. Not good! Lots of law suits pending for damaged engines right now.
 
I guess I'll play devil's advocate here -- yes, I've run E85 in my CJ. BUT -- and this is a BIG but -- if you do this, it must be run ONLY on E85 after the conversion has been done. Yes, it requires all rubber components being removed from the fuel system. It would also be good to completely flush your fuel tank, so any sediments left do not get dissolved with the ethanol and sucked up into your fuel pump.

Ethanol (more specifically, E85 -- lets be honest, this isn't straight alcohol) may or may not get worse mileage than gasoline. Yes -- the engine requires 30-40% more fuel delivery, but there is also more power made once the engine is tuned properly. This is the downfall that some people make and think "meh, I can just pump a tank full of E85 and roll with it." The stoichiometric mix of gasoline vs. E85 are quite different -- lambda for gas is approximately 14.7 parts of air to 1 part of fuel, and E85 is approximately 9.75 parts of air to 1 part of fuel. Basically, you need less air per part of fuel, or more fuel per part of air. This may require larger fuel lines and/or a higher volume fuel pump, but absolutely will require re-jetting the carburetor.

Now, tuning the carb for E85 isn't quite as simple as just throwing 30-40% larger jets in it and going to town. There are several passages that need enlarged, to include idle feed restrictors, tuning of emulsion bleeds, and tuning whatever type of WOT enrichment the carb has, whether it be power valve channel restrictors, or a fuel metering rod, or what have you.

Lastly, because of the combustion characteristics of E85, the ignition timing can be changed. Because E85 has a lower combustion temperature than gasoline, it provides a cooler intake charge, letting the engine run cooler and make more power at the same time. The timing curve can be more aggressive, given the higher octane (~105) of E85. Initial timing can be advanced, as the timing all-in can be higher.

After a non-flex type vehicle has been converted to run on E85, it must stay that way unless it is converted back to gasoline. To go back to gas, you wouldn't have to switch fuel lines and/or pump, though. The carb and timing must be returned to how they were tuned for gas.

Hope this helps. Sometimes I love throwing a wrench into the mix. :chug:
 
- lambada for gas is approximately 14.7 parts of air , how they were tuned for gas.

Hope this helps. Sometimes I love throwing a wrench into the mix. :chug:

Me too. I figured that dance was built out of flatuence. :laugh:
 
I always fill up the rental car with E85 before returning it. Most rentals take either.

Just cheaper.

Lots of the ethanol plants around here are making vodka. . :D
 
E85 is a great option if it is readily available where you are, and if you are running forced induction. Otherwise, it seems the oil companies have priced it in such a manner that it will whither away for now.

I just sold my GMC Flex Fuel truck. I couldn't get E85 around here anymore, and the cost savings at the pump, when it was there, was negated by the reduction in mpg.
 
Thanks for all the input guys! E-85 usually runs about a dollar cheaper down here. I never gave much thought about the carb jets, I was thinking more of having to change the valves. It's an idea that I'll keep in the back of my head as a possible project down the road. Thanks for all the input, if I do this I will picture and document the whole thing for future referance.

In the midfle of my frame off restro, and just have lots of ideas going through my head of things I can do with my project. I really like the diesel conversions I have seen, but the cost is outside my price range. Rod
 

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