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Have you built a shop or garage?

Have you built a shop or garage?

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My sweetie and I are looking for a home to buy. Not many of the places we look at have shops or garages, and I have no idea how to estimate the cost of building a new one. My old body is too busted up, I'm afraid, to build it myself.

How do you suggest I get the most bang for my buck? Quonset hut, metal prefab building, pole building or standard stick-built garage? I want a concrete floor and insulation, of course. Something around a two- or three-car garage size that I can make sparks in.

Ideas?
 
I'd go with stick built. If you're buying a new place you may want to make sure there are no local restrictions that would prevent you from building your shop.
 
i'll be watching this, cuz my wife and i are about 10 months away from getting our first place, and that (what you said) was number ONE on my list...hers was tub and walk in shower
 
I've been a full time carpenter/ builder for 30 Yrs. I guess I have a few opinions, I'll try to help.
 
How much are you willing to spend?
When I was looking for a house it was very important that I get a good garage with it. I lucked out and found this garage.
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It came with 220 outlets. Plus it also had a house on site too!
http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f73/your-man-cave-532/index7.html#post121346
When I was looking for a home I was checking out garages. I found you can get a pre-fab garage pretty cheaply. It all depends on how much you want to spend. The ones with these type of metal walls are especially inexpensive:
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But it's much nicer to have better walls. Check out this place: Metal Garage Steel Buildings, Garage Kit Metal Buildings, Garage Steel Building Kit, PreFab Metal Building
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They have lots of choices. It all depends on what you are willing to spend. Building something from scratch or having a builder build something will cost a lot more. I say go for a prefab but I don't know how much money you have.
 
I love this topic! I'm in construction and am currently designing my new house and shop on about 50 acres of land so I've been having to deal with this stuff for a while. Depending on your budget and location, I live in the Midwest, I'd go with a prefab metal building. I've got a local crew that advertises taking a level area and building an entire shop of approx 750 sq ft with concrete floor for about $10,000. That's not bad. Then add insulation and your custom items.
 
How involved do you want to be in the process? Do you want it turnkey, or are you able to take on a "project"?
I'm not against packages, but you want to know what is included and what is NOT included and what it will cost to get it finished the way you want in the end.
 
There is a guy here locally that will build you a completed, by that I mean roof walls doors and windows, barn/shop. I have been talking to him about a 30'X40' shop. Has a 10'X30' "porch on the front covered. Inside part is 30'X30'. No electricity ran, but that is what the master electrician brother is for!:D

All in and all done I can be in this for roughly $18,000:eek:! I just keep telling my finance manager that this will be offset by the money I am saving by restoring Old Blue to its former glory!

But then I get reminded that the barn next door I am using now is already built and complete......and I don't have to pay the light bill over there!:chug::chug::chug:
 
I've been a full time carpenter/ builder for 30 Yrs. I guess I have a few opinions, I'll try to help.

Do tell!

I've got a local crew that advertises taking a level area and building an entire shop of approx 750 sq ft with concrete floor for about $10,000. That's not bad. Then add insulation and your custom items.

That sounds darned good. Too bad I'm so far away. Where do they advertise? Local paper, Craigslist?

Found the prefab below for just under $10,000. I'm okay with a Quonset hut--the place we'll be making an offer on has a tucked-out-of-plain-sight site that's pretty flat. I'd have to hire a contractor for the pad and assembly. Doesn't seem to take much to re-injure my rotator cuffs so I don't think I could do a lot of assembly work. I could insulate and wire it, I'm sure.

Total budget is a definite $20,000 to a possible $25,000.
 
More than you can shake a stick at. I would want a drain in my floor and have it machined finished to a high gloss to make it less permeable and easy to clean up

That is what they do on the inside part. The porch is a light broom finish if you want it. I have seen his work and you can see your face in the finish!:eek:

Total budget is a definite $20,000 to a possible $25,000.

You ought to be alright with this budget, even at east coast prices!:chug:
 
We built our shop/garage a number of years ago.
Living in the North where the frost can get down several feet, you have to make sure your concrete pad is properly tamped and footed so it doesn't heave and crack. Otherwise, your really pretty floor won't look so good after a few winters... Our floor is concrete and we hired out pouring the pad. Bad idea - The guy didn't put enough gravel fill in and properly tamp it, so it has cracked several places, and not just at the score lines. So make sure you get a good concrete contractor!!! We have treated the concrete with sealer, so that it is easier to clean. Through the years, this has had to be repeated.

As for the floor drain, I'd be checking local codes as a lot of municipalities (even our rural township) requires "any plumbing devices such as sinks or drains to go to a properly installed septic" and if you have sewer I don't know if they would let you run your floor drain into that. Universal Building Code is worded really funny about this stuff so be sure what the rules are beforehand. You might want to consider a small slope to the floor that would send any spills or water from cleaning towards the front instead of sloping the whole pad to a floor drain. How would you keep this floor drain from freezing in the winter? From plugging up? Have you ever dropped anything important?:eek:

What size electric service are you planning? Are you going to run a secondary from your main in the house or get a separate service from the power company run to this garage? Our house has a 200 Amp main. I was able to run a service from our main direct buried (at least 2 feet deep and in conduit (pvc - electrical) I think at least 15 feet away from each structure for mechanical protection. Conductors sized based on the size of service and voltage drop (length) as you don't want to undersize when running welders, air compressors, etc. You can never have enough outlets. We installed many 20A 120V, many 15A 120V, a 30A 120V for the Lincoln Welder, and several 240 outlets - one for the air compressor, and one for the Miller welder. It still isn't enough! Buy at least a 100 amp multi circuit box main (I use only square d - not home line).

You need to plan out your lighting ahead of time too. Good lighting, especially as we (my husband and I) are getting older is becoming more important. I am using more and more full spectrum cfl. These new style start right up when it's cold ( I use them in the barn, too) and put out a whole lot of light for less bucks. Now if you are an experienced electrician, I am preaching to the choir, so forgive me, but don't forget to balance those 120V loads - at least the lights, and the loads you think will be on at the same time. And put some of those outlets in the ceiling too, as a drop cord from above is a whole lot safer than that cord running from the shop wall.
Our shop is standard stud wall wood construction, with T111 siding on the outside and drywall on the inside. We ordered premade trusses, and the roof is shingles. We just completed new vinyl siding on the house, and bought enough to do the shop as we are tired of painting it. When we were doing the wiring, and the walls were just open stud walls we also ran copper air lines (hard lines) from one end to the other and then just plugged them until we had the couplers to use them. This is easier than dragging (and tripping over) air hose, plus it is a lot easier on the air line for wear and tear.
Our shop is 24 x 32 x 8 ft tall, and is insulated, and heated for winter. I am not up on the building codes for your state, but here in Wisconsin there is a form and a fee for just about everything. But at least if you buy a property here, you have a better chance it will be up to code. We also did all the electrical and all interior construction for our two barns which are attatched (see the view from above in my gallery). FYI - Agricultural buildings have different electrical requirements.

Will you have to get a building permit to install this? Will you have to get a separate electrical permit? If so for either, then it will probably have to be inspected when completed.

These are just some suggestions based on what we have experienced through the years..(I am a registered PE in WI, EE, my husband has a Civil degree, but drives truck for a living...:eek:)

Maybe I should take pics of our shop and put them in the "man cave" thread..:D
 
You rock, Lady. I appreciate the time you spent typing all that info.

I'm in Massachusetts, so there will be permits required for everything. S'ok--like you said, I know it'll be done right. (I've seen many examples of "uninspected" amateur remodeling.)

I thought the drain idea was a good one until I considered water disposal. If we buy the house we're currently considering, the shop will be a few hundred feet from the house, so water and septic hookups won't be practical. I can lug a pail of water for wetsanding and just let it evaporate on the floor. Did that for years when I worked in a shop.

I haven't seen a 200 amp box since I moved here. Never seen so many 60 amp boxes and cesspools before. Mostly likely I'll need a separate service for the shop.
 
Consider your garage placement based on your sewer and water lines. You do not want to be driving over them to build the garage or to get in the garage.

Consider comfort factors, why suffer when you don't need to.

If your gonna have a serious air compressor, build on an attached closet to house the compressor outside the shop and have it padded with sound deadener. My brother did and it's awsome, you can hear yourself think even with it running.

Finish the floor in a light color to aid in finding dropped objects but it also helps reflect light up into the undercarriage. This can also be aided by building in defused lights along the base board.

Also consider heat and air flow.

The older I get the more important comfort is along with the right tool for the job.
I used to tuff it out and make due, but man it's harder when your older.

Check out: http://www.carport.com and http://www.elephantbarns.com
Its the same company and they have a feature that lets you build the garage on the web site that give you cost, plus they do free delivery and install.
I'm considering a 30x50 from carport.com I priced it out with 12 gauge metal, a 10x10 door, 2 walkin doors, and a window on all 4 sides at just under 15k.
 
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Closed today! Spent the afternoon clearing brush, kudzu, and dead branches.

One-and-a-quarter acres, few neighbors, chicken coop, greenhouse, garden shed, 16 x 20 shop, and a perfect site for a garage a couple hundred feet from the neighbors. One contractor ballparked under 20k for a garage but we haven't discussed details.

Also a well-preserved house built in 1750. Do you know what flag was being flown in 1750? The Union Jack! I'm pumped. Sore but pumped.
 

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