"RARE 1979 CJ-7 FACTORY 401ci BIG BLOCK V-8 4-Speed"

[BajaEdition]

just give me an excuse

 

[rr41mag]

So this guy comes in today and I get to talking to him. He has a 79 CJ5 . We talk a bit and the subject gets to motors. He tells me that jeep put a 401 in some of their jeeps. He seemed pretty knowledgeable on jeeps, or he was full of $@%t

 

[2RUDE71]

No,


The T-18 4 speed was behind the AMC 304 as an option on 76-79 CJ7 's. The T-176 4 speed was behind the V8 as well (1980 CJ7 ).

O.K., I just learned something new. I've never owned a CJ7 , only the CJ-5s ,

and all three of mine were AMC 304 /3 spds. Was the 4 spd. ever an option behind

the 304s on CJ-5s? As I have been told by several CJ gurus, that the 4 spd.

was never an option with the AMC 304 in any CJ, perhaps they meant CJ-5s, and

not all CJs. And that the 4 spd. was only available with the 6 cyl. models.

All the CJs with 304s and 4spds. that I have seen , ended up having been

swaps, after talking to the owners who said they had originally been 3 spds.


Thanks, -2RUDE

 

[BajaEdition]

well rude, here at Jeep-Cj.com we are about to embark on a huge project, and we are going to search down all the options offered
and organize them into a data base for anyone to use
Soon you will see a new forum open and there will be a thread for anyone to put data on cjs that we will get processed
I hope you will join us, it will make this forum stand out among the rest.
be advised, If you ask a question, you may be required to do the research to find out if it was offered.

 

[Posi]

So this guy comes in today and I get to talking to him. He has a 79 CJ5 . We talk a bit and the subject gets to motors. He tells me that jeep put a 401 in some of their jeeps. He seemed pretty knowledgeable on jeeps, or he was full of $@%t

Well, some of their Jeeps....FSJ, as mentioned never in a CJ from the factory.

The CJ5 never came from the factory with a 4 speed behind a V8.

 

[2RUDE71]

So this guy comes in today and I get to talking to him. He has a 79 CJ5 . We talk a bit and the subject gets to motors. He tells me that jeep put a 401 in some of their jeeps. He seemed pretty knowledgeable on jeeps, or he was full of $@%t

Yeah, like Posi said, the 401's were available in Jeeps, but only the SJs.

 

[2RUDE71]

well rude, here at Jeep-Cj.com we are about to embark on a huge project, and we are going to search down all the options offered
and organize them into a data base for anyone to use
Soon you will see a new forum open and there will be a thread for anyone to put data on cjs that we will get processed
I hope you will join us, it will make this forum stand out among the rest.
be advised, If you ask a question, you may be required to do the research to find out if it was offered.

Thanks Baja, Funny you mention this. I'm currently trying to find such a

database. Surely as popular as the CJs are this information has to be

available somewhere. I'd imagine it's all computerized now, but prior to PCs

there had to be "build sheets" (for lack of a better word) , that the salesmen

at the dealerships used to spec. out a vehicle, when a customer was

ordering a new vehicle rather than buying off the lot.

I would think these would show what Transmission options were available

with a particular engine, what optional equipment was available on that

vehicle that year, such as A/C, PS, PB, AM/FM 8-track (Remember those : )

Hardtop/softtop, gear ratios, Limited -slip, etc.

I'd imagine these sheets were vehicle specific, and changed from model year to

model year (Any new car salesmen here from the 70s/80s that can verify?)


That being the case, surely some of these survived and are out there

somewhere I would think.


Anyways, nice to make your acquaintance Baja, and again my

apologies to everyone if I came off as an A-hole earlier.

I assure you that was not my intention.

-2RUDE

 

[2RUDE71]

CJ, I am not putting gas on the fire, I just think this was a little riduculous from someone new that has experiece on forums.

So, actually, IMO, this should have been to Dave as well, he is a very well respected member here and has helped many, many people.

And just so you know, it may be cool to the XJ guys that know you, but your name alone sounds like you were here to make trouble. We really don't know, maybe take pride in being 2rude, or maybe there is a legit reason for called 2rude. But you were very upset that he questioned you, yet you were doing the same to someone else. Albeit you were passing along info, if that seller really didn't know better or was sold on thinking it was special, you are now defaming him.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not sticking up for this guy and have no idea if he is legit or not and we've all seen people overpay before, but unless you are the Ebay police you might be overstepping your boundaries.

Now on topic.... I'm sure you know, there are all kinds of options and packages from the factory or dealers doing special editions. This has and still continues to confuse people. As a matter of fact, Dave and a couple of others guys are working on a thread for those to be identified and I am sure it is no easy task.

"And just so you know, it may be cool to the XJ guys that know you, but your name alone sounds like you were here to make trouble."

ZJ! ZJ guys!, not XJ (Never owned one, and know very little about them, other than the front axles are a direct swap to a ZJ or TJ.)

"But you were very upset that he questioned you, yet you were doing the same to someone else."

I wouldn't say I was upset, more dumbfounded than anything, that anyone

could actually misconstrue my initial post into an endorsement, or

"sales pitch" for a Jeep I referred to as a "s hitbox" twice.

If that wasn't enough, the simile between a "Dealer installed" 401 in a CJ

and a Yenko Camaro (Which was a dealer modified vehicle, if you're not

familiar with them, Yenko Chevrolet installed factory crate 427s in place of

the 396s in brand new original Big block cars. The difference being, these

Yenkos are desirable.... I've seen them bring 200K-400K at Mecum. That's

right, close to half a million dollars for a car that probably cost 7-8 grand

new.) This followed by the "rolling eyes" icon was pretty much a dead

giveaway.



"yet you were doing the same to someone else."


I wasn't questioning the guy on ebay, I was saying he was absolutely full of

horse poop, and was misrepresenting that vehicle and trying to pass it off

as something rare and obscure, and at a RIDICULOUS price.



" if that seller really didn't know better or was sold on thinking it was special, you are now defaming him."


He originally had it listed and described as

a FACTORY INSTALLED 401. Then he changed it to he believed it was a

"dealer installed" 401, now I just checked and I see he's edited it once again

to "According to VIN this CJ came with a AMC 304 V-8 & 4 speed Transmission . But, there is information on the web that you could SPECIAL ORDER a 401 from AMC and it could be either installed at factory, or shipped to dealer for install there."

That makes three times in the last 3 days that his story has changed.

It'd be my guess that he's either a member here, or one of his buddies is

and turned him onto this post. Anyways, should he file a defamation suit

I have "screen caps" of his listing and his previous descriptions, prior

to him editing them : )


-2RUDE

 

[CJim7]

Simply put, the only V8 offered in a CJ whether it was a 5 or a 7, was the AMC 304 .
There is no such thing as a big block 401.

 

[BajaEdition]

I can tell you the only v8 offered by jeep in 79 was the AMC 304 , it was a 176 dollar option

 

[ken98k]

Thanks Baja, Funny you mention this. I'm currently trying to find such a database. Surely as popular as the CJs are this information has to be available somewhere.
-2RUDE

I have found this site helpful.
The New Jeep Tech Pages

 

[JR74CJ5]

I have found this site helpful.
The New Jeep Tech Pages

That is a awesome link Ken!

:rock:


~ JR

 

[derf]

Interesting..... Thanks for the reply, I have heard of the Super Wagoneer,

which I believe was the pre-runner to the Grand Wagoneer, but I believe the

Super Wagoneers all had the 327 if I'm not mistaken.

Thanks, -2RUDE

The Super Wagoneer was the top level option package for the Wagoneer from 1966 to 1969. They used a slightly more powerful version of the AMC 327 than was installed in the base model. Though Kaiser switched to the Buick 350 in 1968 for all models. By the time AMC bought out Kaiser, the Super Wagoneer had been discontinued.

 

[CJ007]

After I hit sent on this post, I thought I should have just asked CJ to delete the derogatory part like my local site does, as this may be done. But OK, I'll play.

Your "experience" is showing again, you posted a good post, then you decided to read the whole thread after being bored and broken footed and posted up again. :down:

"And just so you know, it may be cool to the XJ guys that know you, but your name alone sounds like you were here to make trouble."

ZJ! ZJ guys!, not XJ (Never owned one, and know very little about them, other than the front axles are a direct swap to a ZJ or TJ.) I knew what it said as I assume most everyone here did.

"But you were very upset that he questioned you, yet you were doing the same to someone else." I wouldn't say I was upset, more dumbfounded than anything, that anyone could actually misconstrue my initial post into an endorsement, or "sales pitch" for a Jeep I referred to as a "s hitbox" twice.
Dumbfounded to moron still sounds "upset." BTW You to misconstrued my post regarding XJ ^^^.

If that wasn't enough, the simile between a "Dealer installed" 401 in a CJ and a Yenko Camaro (Which was a dealer modified vehicle, if you're not familiar with them, Yenko Chevrolet installed factory crate 427s in place of the 396s in brand new original Big block cars. The difference being, these Yenkos are desirable.... I've seen them bring 200K-400K at Mecum. That's right, close to half a million dollars for a car that probably cost 7-8 grand new.) This followed by the "rolling eyes" icon was pretty much a dead giveaway.

I actually read this same thread that compared the Yenko and the myth of the CJ 401 on another site. Although, I am not really interested in that unless someone wants to sell me one really cheap

"yet you were doing the same to someone else." I wasn't questioning the guy on ebay, I was saying he was absolutely full of horse poop, and was misrepresenting that vehicle and trying to pass it off as something rare and obscure, and at a RIDICULOUS price.
There are at least three listings online right now that all say factory (or dealer) 401 from 5k to 18k. I might just start calling and asking for VIN numbers or paperwork. Although highly unlikely, it would be nice if there were one of those legendary Jeeps out there and I could sell it for 400k
" if that seller really didn't know better or was sold on thinking it was special, you are now defaming him." He originally had it listed and described as a FACTORY INSTALLED 401. Then blah blah blah. Anyways, should he file a defamation suit I have "screen caps" of his listing and his previous descriptions, prior to him editing them : )
The point was, he may not have realized it wasn't factory, someone may have snowed him

Anyway, Welcome.