Shop manual requirement

[Sasquach]

I think it should be mandatory that all Jeep-CJ forum users own a shop manual! There are posts were it seems like someone is just to lazy to find material in a search or out of there shop manual(if they even have one). If you first read your manual and need clarification or any kind of help then here is the place to get it. First try to help yourself then ask for help.
Am I being out of line? ...Good were on the page now how does it get inforced? I'll leave that up to someone else to figure out.

 

[IOPort51]

We do it like bible study.
"My son, the answer you seek can be found in the book of Haynes, chapter 6, page 153, paragraph 4. May your journey be fruitful on the path to enlightenment."

I think it should be mandatory that all Jeep-CJ forum users own a shop manual! There are posts were it seems like someone is just to lazy to find material in a search or out of there shop manual(if they even have one). If you first read your manual and need clarification or any kind of help then here is the place to get it. First try to help yourself then ask for help.
Am I being out of line? ...Good were on the page now how does it get inforced? I'll leave that up to someone else to figure out.

 

[dslywalker]

We do it like bible study.
"My son, the answer you seek can be found in the book of Haynes, chapter 6, page 153, paragraph 4. May your journey be fruitful on the path to enlightenment."

Well said Reverend

 

[marty sylvester]

yea! if you own a jeep or any vehicle you need a manual dont fool yourself you are not born knowing every thing!

 

[Jackwagon]

Or you could just have a section
" How to open your hood and other difficult problems" section

 

[73CJ]

Keep your eye open for a Factory Service Manual. They are worth every penny.

When it comes to the real detail needed, Haynes & Chilton drive me crazy with " Take it to your dealer". Duh that's why I bought the manual.

 

[jeffgtoman]

Don't be so hard on the guys without shop manuals. Isn't that part of what this forum is for, to help each other? That's the way it is in this new computer age. If they are finding out what they want to know, then their way is working for them.

 

[IOPort51]

I don't know just exactly what to say about this. I find it hard to believe anyone owns a 30 something year old machine and does not have a manual. If you don't know what the timing is on a AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l or how to gap the plugs, you need some kind of manual. If you are rebuilding a T-150 , you need a manual If you are trying to sort out the wires under the dash, you need a manual. And you need to know how to use it, it takes practice. You can't run back and forth to the computer and so far I have not found any web page collection that is more detailed or better illustrated than the FSM.
The Factory Service Manual is with out a doubt the best mystery novel ever written, Sherlock Holmes never had as exciting adventures as I have had while reading it. Being able to examine how it is supposed to be is a great help when it isn't.

I own a CJ because I can.

 

[cerrajero]

yes a manual is a must but.....i have found that the people on this forum speak from experience and can tell you which way they tackled the issue they were having.....there are all types of knowledge here that a manual cannot provide......think of it this way....( the way i see ) Busa,brock, CJ Baja,IO,HD,Elwood,Sasquach,Old dog,Cheap,(probably missed a few)
"chimed in" lots when they couldve said "check this post...." even i have tried to help even though ive answered that once before...because i have been there on the lock issues and maybe can answer in layman terms how to solve it on a budget and with "tricks of the trade"
and i have made sure that i read even your post to see what info your sharing that i might need inn the near future.
the same question today WILL be asked again probably in less than a month......but i see it as "oh well" lets try to help if we know the answer

It doesnt take long for someone to see who here is knowledgable

And I THANK YOU for all for answering....it helps all

 

[dslywalker]

I've scaned pages in mine for members without a manual and it can be a pain but do it for people until they get one.To have to be a library for someone who won't get one can be a pain also.
Its a lot easier to explain to someone if they have one in front of them.Then spending time typing every answer on the computer.Sorry to be blunt but you can't learn everything on a computer.

 

[Old Dog]

Heres my $.02
I own a Haynes, Chiltons, and a FSM. I not only own them for my cj but also for my truck and my cars, and still have the ones from things I no longer own anymore. (never know when they might help out).
To be honest, (this is probally because of my age) it's easyer for me to find the answer in a book, now when I need it, rather than ask someone on the web. and maybe wait days for an answer. Don't get me wrong, I do ask questions, I own a franken jeep afterall.
As far as helping others go, I'll try to help whenever I think I can.

Remember the old saying, "the information you get on the web is worth exactly what you paid for it."

 

[CJim7]

I like the fact old and redundant questions are re-hatched. The reason being is the age-old thought that new ideas come into play. What was once thought of as the "right way" to do something, may have an easier (and still right way) to do it.

And then there's comeraderie:

This goes back to sitting around the primordial campfire talking about the proper way to skin a saber-tooth. It brings us together, helps teach the younguns, and keeps the "spirit" alive.

If someone posts the question "how many lug nuts does my right front wheel have?" I'll answer it with a smile. This forum is a community and Im here to help if I can, even if it means changing a diaper or two

It shows participation and interest....the reason many of us are here.

 

[mylittlecj5]

I guess I'm in my usual spot on this issue. I own manuals that I have never cracked open...and probably never will.
I have a few online manuals bookmarked that I go to if I need to know something specific, but for the most part I just go do the job.
I'm not saying I'm the world's greatest mechanic (far from it in fact) but to me, most things come apart and go back together without me having to crack open a book.
Electrical issues and the innards of a Transmission are a few of the things I need help with, and I just print out what I need off the 'net, when I need that information.
I even help out here when I have that knowledge to share (unlike a few people that share their knowledge without having it to begin with! )
So No, I don't think that everyone HAS to own a manual. Just sayin'.

 

[priceg]

What was the question?

 

[Cheepjeep85]

I guess I'm in my usual spot on this issue. I own manuals that I have never cracked open...and probably never will.
I have a few online manuals bookmarked that I go to if I need to know something specific, but for the most part I just go do the job.
I'm not saying I'm the world's greatest mechanic (far from it in fact) but to me, most things come apart and go back together without me having to crack open a book.
Electrical issues and the innards of a Transmission are a few of the things I need help with, and I just print out what I need off the 'net, when I need that information.
I even help out here when I have that knowledge to share (unlike a few people that share their knowledge without having it to begin with! )
So No, I don't think that everyone HAS to own a manual. Just sayin'.

couldn't have said it better myself. i've found out alot of stuff about alot of things by hangin out with "old tymers", that a manual could never tell you. remember not everything is perfected when it leaves a factory, think carter bbd and mid to late 80's jeep emissions . ever seen a factory built small block chevy that didn't leak after a very little time, i learned how to fix that problem from the old man that helped me build my first, a fsm wouldn't be able to tell you how to do that. what about the extra oiling tricks a AMC 304 , 360 needs a fsm ain't gonna tell you that. but on the other hand they are good for torque specs, fluid caps, electrical schematics, etc.

 

[Sasquach]

I guess I'm in my usual spot on this issue. I own manuals that I have never cracked open...and probably never will.
I have a few online manuals bookmarked that I go to if I need to know something specific, but for the most part I just go do the job.
I'm not saying I'm the world's greatest mechanic (far from it in fact) but to me, most things come apart and go back together without me having to crack open a book.
Electrical issues and the innards of a Transmission are a few of the things I need help with, and I just print out what I need off the 'net, when I need that information.
I even help out here when I have that knowledge to share (unlike a few people that share their knowledge without having it to begin with! )
So No, I don't think that everyone HAS to own a manual. Just sayin'.

I just got my 3b resto back on it's own 4 wheels and I must say I refered to my FSM at least 50 times if not more, not so much to read the step process but specifications, exploded views, bolt torque etc. Could not live without one.I do have one question though, can anyone give me the pudding recipe for the front knuckles?
Thanks in advance.

 

[priceg]

I just got my 3b resto back on it's own 4 wheels and I must say I refered to my FSM at least 50 times if not more, not so much to read the step process but specifications, exploded views, bolt torque etc. Could not live without one.I do have one question though, can anyone give me the pudding recipe for the front knuckles?
Thanks in advance.

I use Amsoil 80w 90EP in the Rovers. They hold 3/4 of a pint. Never have had a lubricity failure from it. Good Luck

 

[Sasquach]

I use Amsoil 80w 90EP in the Rovers. They hold 3/4 of a pint. Never have had a lubricity failure from it. Good Luck

The closed knuckle is not sealed well enough for gear oil, the "pudding" is a mixture more like grease than oil.

 

[priceg]

How about a CV type grease?

 

[Sasquach]

How about a CV type grease?

Is it pourable at all or applied with a gun?