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4 Wheel Parts in Austin rant

4 Wheel Parts in Austin rant

dtrojcak

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Avoid them unless you have deep pockets and love to throw away money for unnecessary repairs.:eek:

I sent the following as a direct facebook message, long read, but here goes:

I write this message to inform you of my poor experience with your Austin location.


My driver’s side axle bearing failed and caused the tire/axle to slide out of the axle tube. On Monday, July 14, I made an appointment for the following Monday, July 21 at 10am to replace the rear axle bearings in my CJ7 . I informed the guy on the phone that I had a 1978 Jeep CJ7 with an AMC20 rear end with 1-piece axles. The sales guy looked up the necessary kit, quoted me $45 each for the bearing kit and $100 each axle for labor. The $45 price matched the kit that I had already found on your website for an AMC20 1-piece axle. He required a 50% deposit to order the parts and to set up an appointment. I live 2 hours away, so I made the appointment for 10am to insure plenty of time for me to drive there. So far, everything is fine.


I arrive at 9:15am on Monday, July 21 to drop off my jeep. At this time, I was unsure if the axle could be reused or if it was damaged by the failed bearing. I remind the front counter guy of this and my 2 hour drive time home. I asked them to call me ASAP, if the axle would need to be replaced as it would have to be ordered and the job would not be completed on Monday. At 1:00pm, after receiving no phone call, I call the shop back to check the status of my repair. This is where the problems began.
The guy who answered told me the mechanic had a long list of parts that needed to be replaced in addition to the axle bearings, and that the tech would call me within 30 minutes to inform me of the new list of repairs. I started driving toward the shop and arrived 35 minutes later with no phone received.


When I walked in, the front counter guy told me that my differential had been run dry for a long time, which caused the gears to become rusty and pitted and they needed to be replaced. He also said that the spider gears were missing and I would need new ones. At this point, I almost lost my temper. I informed him that I had drained the oil myself 10 days prior to this, and the jeep had only been driven onto my trailer at my house, and then unloaded at their shop, so I knew for a fact that it had not been driven for more than 100 feet without gear oil in the differential case. I then asked him if he actually knew what a spider gear was, since it would be impossible for the jeep to be driven at all if both of them were in fact missing. Apparently he was trying to cover up the fact that the bearing kits that I had ordered and paid for over the phone were never actually ordered. When I questioned why the bearing kits were not actually ordered, I was told they didn’t know what kind of rear end/axle combination my jeep had, and they had to wait to inspect it before ordering parts. I told him that I gave all of that information on the previous Monday when I made the appointment. He stated the info never got put into the system because a new guy took my order. I stated I could understand that, but I questioned why no one had bothered to call me in the last 7 days to ask me for more info, instead of me driving 2 hours to drop off my jeep for them to look at, driving 2 hours home, only to do it all over again tomorrow. He only made excuses and attempted to move the blame to me for not giving them the necessary information. I then asked why I had to pay a deposit up front if no parts were actually ordered. I received no intelligent answer. I then asked why no one bothered to call me in the last 4 hours to inform me of this problem. I received no intelligent answer. All he kept saying was they did not have the necessary parts in stock and could not complete the job as scheduled on Monday. He did offer to refund my deposit and allow me to take the jeep home unrepaired. I informed him that I wanted the job to be completed and reluctantly agreed to return on Tuesday to pick up the repaired jeep.


What concerns me the most is the apparent lack of ethics of at least some of your front counter people in the Austin location. If I had no mechanical knowledge, they would have sold me several unnecessary parts along with charging me for the unnecessary labor. They tried to sell me a ring and pinion gear, 2 spider gears, and all the necessary bearings, shims, etc. that are required to replace these parts. All of these unnecessary repairs just to cover up the fact that someone made a mistake and did not order the parts that I had paid for 7 days prior.



If you would like, I can send you pictures of the inside of my differential case to show you that the spider gears are in fact installed, and that there is no rust or pitting on any of the gears because they are still coated with gear oil.


Thank you for your attention in this matter,
Dennis
 
I've dealt with 4WP once. That's all it took. Fortunately for you it wasn't to expensive of a lesson.
 
I have been dealing with same 4WPW outfit for the better part of 25 years and have had no issues with them. It is quite a shame of course that you and others have had these problems and would suggest you take it all the way to the top. Pictures are always good to send in.
 
I could deal with the incompetence of the counter people, they have no monopoly on that. Trying to sell me work I do not need would piss me off, big time.:mad:
 
Sux that you had the bad experience. I have had issues like your when I was younger, the I decided that I will try to do all my own maintenance instead of getting ripped off..:D The good thing you had going for you was/is that you have mechanical knowledge.....hard to rip you off..lol Hopefully all will turn out good for you and by the way...I had the same failure as you did...dang wheel and axle popped out a bit while making a turn in my drive way...some scary stuff! :chug:
 
Sounds like attempted fraud.
First report to the BBB.
Is there a state agency for auto repair issues??
Keep a log of names, dates & time.
The service mgr and store mgr need to meet with you-ASAP!
Send, via reg mail, your issues to the HMFIC at the main corporate location.
Your done be'n nice--
LG
 
Sounds like attempted fraud.
First report to the BBB.
Is there a state agency for auto repair issues??
Keep a log of names, dates & time.
The service mgr and store mgr need to meet with you-ASAP!
Send, via reg mail, your issues to the HMFIC at the main corporate location.
Your done be'n nice--
LG


ditto - also, if you are able to present any type of proof of "damages", i.e; travel expense, time, etc., due to their error, you can file it with the Texas Attorney General and they will work on your behalf. I've had good experience doing that.
 
I could deal with the incompetence of the counter people, they have no monopoly on that. Trying to sell me work I do not need would piss me off, big time.:mad:
This is what I was mainly upset about.
It was one thing that they didn't order my parts that I paid for 7 days prior.
It was a whole other issue when they told me I needed other parts in an attempt to hide their mistake.
I truly believe they wanted to order additional parts so that I would have to wait for those parts, which would give them time to order the original parts I already paid for.
Their stupidity was telling me I needed parts that I had just recently inspected myself. When I brought the jeep to them on a trailer, with the rear differential drained of oil and the cover bolts only finger tight should have been a clue to them that I had the rear differential open and saw the parts they claimed were either missing or defective.
When I didn't back down and informed him that I knew what spider gears were, and that I knew the vehicle would not move without them, he started getting a little defensive. When I told him that I had drained and inspected the differential myself only a few days prior, and that the jeep had only been driven on and off of the trailer with a "dry" diff, exposing his lie of it running dry for a long time and the gears being rusty and pitted, he became borderline belligerent.
When I asked for him to show me the rusty gears, he finally admitted that the parts I ordered and paid for, were never actually ordered and not in stock.

In the company's defense, I did receive a facebook messenger response asking for my info and order number the day after I sent my message. I replied with the info requested and I have not heard anything since.

I always try and do all of my own mechanical work for this very reason.
I do not have a press, so I could not do this job myself.
Napa quoted me a price of $60 per axle to press them on, but then I would have to put everything back together myself.
4 Wheel Parts quoted me $100 per axle to do everything. I figured for $40/axle it would be worth taking it to a place that specializes in jeeps.
I figured wrong.
 
Quite honestly, I wouldn't have pre-ordered your parts either. You obviously know what you are talking about in terms of what you have and what you don't have, but the vast majority of people who get mechanical work done have no clue as to what they have and no clue at all about what they actually need. No garage wants to get stuck with the the bill for ordering the wrong parts then re-ordering the corect ones. Also most garages have quick parts turn around, usually 24 hours. If I ran a garage I wouldn't order a thing until I had the oppertunity to look at the problem myself. Now that doesn't forgive them from attempting an out and out fraud. If you were completely unaward they might have gotten away with replacing (actually replacing nothing) parts and handing you a great big bill for false work on your vehicle. If I were you I wouldn't be screaming about how they didn't order your parts, but how they wanted to tack well over $1,000 onto your original $190 bill. That is the unforgiveable fraud. Next time order the parts yourself and hand them to the repair guy. They hate that, but you are talking about a CJ jeep, not the most common vehicle anymore and most garages understand that.
 
H'hog, you have a valid point about the preorder deal.
But, the lies about the missing spider gear(s) etc, is way over the top.
That is the fraud concern--
LG
 
I can understand that, but I told them what I needed, then they required a 50% deposit before the appointment could be made and the parts ordered.
If the parts would be wrong, I would've already paid for them and I would be hung with them.

It's a 4 hour round trip for me and I had other things planned for Tuesday.

Either way, the jeep axles are repaired now and I will never give them another red cent.
 
Mr. Grits - did you actually read my post? The words at the end are as important, maybe even more important that the beginning.

"Now that doesn't forgive them from attempting an out and out fraud. If you were completely unaware they might have gotten away with replacing (actually replacing nothing) parts and handing you a great big bill for false work on your vehicle. If I were you I wouldn't be screaming about how they didn't order your parts, but how they wanted to tack well over $1,000 onto your original $190 bill. That is the unforgiveable fraud."

 
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Mr. Grits - did you actually read my post? The words at the end are as important, maybe even more important that the beginning.

"Now that doesn't forgive them from attempting an out and out fraud. If you were completely unaware they might have gotten away with replacing (actually replacing nothing) parts and handing you a great big bill for false work on your vehicle. If I were you I wouldn't be screaming about how they didn't order your parts, but how they wanted to tack well over $1,000 onto your original $190 bill. That is the unforgiveable fraud."



Mr Hog, I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU-:D
LG
 
This can be a difficult way to communicate. And I admit that I read it with the emphasis's incorrectly placed.
 
i have heard the same thing about my local store from two different people everything from not doing work that was paid for and returning the unused part so he new it was not done, wires ran directly over the engine instead of routing properly. and torching holes in the frame instead of drilling. they will never touch my jeep
 

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