Almost done with engine swap want professional to check my work before starting

[Lumpy Grits]

That is NOT normal at all, is this 'fresh'? Looks like an older mark from a saw.
Are there any local Jeep clubs with CJ's in them near you? If so-I would contact them and see who they recommend.
I would file a BBB and social media complaints about the so-called shop. Post up the receipts and pictures of the damage(pulley)they did.
Go and get'em!
LG

 

[Hedgehog]

The cut does look old, but not factory. While it is ugly. if the edge are smooth and the belt tracks properly it's not likely to be a problem. The pulley looks like pressed on type, the damage might have come from a puller that was improperly placed on the pulley. Those things are VERY solidly pressed on, it takes a very special tool to remove AND reset.

 

[HackFabrication]

A sawsall? That's not good..... Does it pose a potential danger?

As was replied:

The cut does look old, but not factory. While it is ugly. if the edge are smooth and the belt tracks properly it's not likely to be a problem.

If it isn't sharp (run your finger over it -carefully- and see), it should be fine. If it has a slight burr, get some emery paper and smooth it out on the edges of the pulley.

I bought the entire blazer and removed the engine myself. (with a little help from family).

Who knows what a previous owner might have done. That particular pulley is on the air pump, and the original might have seized (common) years ago. Someone might have went to a yard and grabbed (or carved) one off a junk vehicle.

I spoke to my brother and he thinks it might be from the manufacturer but not sure. So I will keep going through my photos.

I just checked my 2002 Blazer with the 4.3, it doesn't have any cuts in that pulley. I would imagine if the manufacturer put a grove in it, it would have been perpendicular to the belt grooves. Not on an angle. That cut is just screaming sawsall or cutoff wheel. I kind of doubt if the shop that last had your Jeep could have done it without removing the radiator. Not a lot of space down there to get either a sawsall or cutoff wheel in.

I was really thinking about what you all said (and my family and others) said to be happy I got the jeep back and just complain about their deceitful practices and then move on.... But I don't know now if this was cut on purpose. (Is there any potential danger?) If it is a manufacturers thing I just want to move on.

If it bothers you: Go get another air pump, or a new pulley for the one you've got. You'll need a special puller/pusher to remove install the pulley, if you just get a pulley. No big deal.

I've found that wasting emotional energy on things that you had no control over, or are highly unlikely you will get resolution to, is non-productive. Move on with the project. And chalk this one up to 'lesson learned'. My CJ5 has been a very expensive education. And not without a few incidents similar to your's.

The pulley looks like pressed on type, the damage might have come from a puller that was improperly placed on the pulley. Those things are VERY solidly pressed on, it takes a very special tool to remove AND reset.

Using the incorrect puller might have caused it, but it truly looks like a cut. The correct puller doesn't contact any part of the pulley other than the hub.

I had to purchase the specific puller in order to press off/on the pulley when I added Saginaw/Delphi PS to my Ford 5.0L:



The remover/installer can be rented at most chain auto parts stores, but 'it's a guy thing' so I bought one....

 

[76cj7chick]

Hi guys-

Thanks for all of your thoughts and suggestions. I agree, I shouldn't get all wrapped up in emotional stuff.... But I am a girl. So, how do I not?

I still haven't finished looking through my hundreds if photos but, I ran my finger over the "cut" and for the most part its smooth, only a couple spots have a slight ridged feel to it. Also I asked a couple of family members to take a look and one wasn't sure but the other said it looks older. But not sure.

Once I get some coolant in the radiator I'll start it and if it doesn't make any weird sounds etc., its probably older..... and like some of you suggests, possibly from a po. I truly hope so..... Can't imagine a "business" doing this no matter how sinister.

Thanks again everyone for your support!

I attached another photo..... I may take your suggestions and get a replacement if its not normal just to be safe.

THANKS AGAIN!

 

[76cj7chick]

As was replied:


If it isn't sharp (run your finger over it -carefully- and see), it should be fine. If it has a slight burr, get some emery paper and smooth it out on the edges of the pulley.



Who knows what a previous owner might have done. That particular pulley is on the air pump, and the original might have seized (common) years ago. Someone might have went to a yard and grabbed (or carved) one off a junk vehicle.


I just checked my 2002 Blazer with the 4.3, it doesn't have any cuts in that pulley. I would imagine if the manufacturer put a grove in it, it would have been perpendicular to the belt grooves. Not on an angle. That cut is just screaming sawsall or cutoff wheel. I kind of doubt if the shop that last had your Jeep could have done it without removing the radiator. Not a lot of space down there to get either a sawsall or cutoff wheel in.


If it bothers you: Go get another air pump, or a new pulley for the one you've got. You'll need a special puller/pusher to remove install the pulley, if you just get a pulley. No big deal.

I've found that wasting emotional energy on things that you had no control over, or are highly unlikely you will get resolution to, is non-productive. Move on with the project. And chalk this one up to 'lesson learned'. My CJ5 has been a very expensive education. And not without a few incidents similar to your's.


Using the incorrect puller might have caused it, but it truly looks like a cut. The correct puller doesn't contact any part of the pulley other than the hub.

I had to purchase the specific puller in order to press off/on the pulley when I added Saginaw/Delphi PS to my Ford 5.0L:



The remover/installer can be rented at most chain auto parts stores, but 'it's a guy thing' so I bought one....

That's a PUuurrrrrrtttyyyy engine.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

Looks to me, like that 'cut' has been there for a long time.
VERY good picture, BTW.
See how she runs-Then decide.
LG

 

[76cj7chick]

That is NOT normal at all, is this 'fresh'? Looks like an older mark from a saw.
Are there any local Jeep clubs with CJ's in them near you? If so-I would contact them and see who they recommend.
I would file a BBB and social media complaints about the so-called shop. Post up the receipts and pictures of the damage(pulley)they did.
Go and get'em!
LG

I'm trying to connect with jeepers and swappers but I think they see my "neediness" on getting help with the jeep and run away. LOL

 

[Lumpy Grits]

I'm trying to connect with jeepers and swappers but I think they see my "neediness" on getting help with the jeep and run away. LOL

Is there a state 4WD association of some sort?
LG

 

[mtnwhlr]

Looks to me, like that 'cut' has been there for a long time.
VERY good picture, BTW.
See how she runs-Then decide.
LG

I agree I would move on and worry about what it's going to take to get it on the road.

 

[Hedgehog]

I know it can be hard, but I'd lay the small stuff aside and sweep up the big stuff. Then circle back to the little things. ..... that is if it wouldn't be easier to do the repair when addressing something else.

 

[76cj7chick]

Is there a state 4WD association of some sort?
LG

Not sure Lumpy Grits. I bet there are. I belong to a few on facebook and will have to see if they have someone that is skilled and local. Wish I did that first.

 

[76cj7chick]

I'm still am considering posting their so called "invoice" with bogus (and non authorized) stuff they "did". And how I paid a whopping $1100 for nothing..... All of which I could have (and actually already did. Or they charged for things they never did.)

They made me sign a "won't talk bad about them on social media" But I 'signed in duress'. And said I didn't agree with how they treated me. And I video taped it too,

I'm still waiting for the owner to respond to the BBB complaint... If he doesn't help me by giving me a refund I have a few other organizations (including governmental) that I will be sending the complaint too. I just wanted to give them some time to realize that they were not fair and stoleost of the money from me while offering subpar service and work.

Nevertheless, I just wanted to give them a week or so to think about it...... And time is almost up.

Interesting that they had the 'won't say anything "mean" on social media' typed and printed all ready for when I picked up my jeep.

Perhaps they have more victims than we know about but they make them sign (against their will) and constitutional right that they won't warn people about them.

Thanks everyone for your support! That is why I LOVE this forum!

 

[HackFabrication]

From looking at the last picture you posted, it appears to be dented where the cut crosses the upper edges of the pulley. From there to the grooves, it looks like a cut. A closer look at the grooves and the cut doesn't bisect them, but seems to follow around them. Which would indicate to me a crack. Could be just the camera image. I'd have to examine it up close and personal to know for sure.

Make me wonder if something did get in there and get jammed, and somehow caused the pulley to crack. Just an exercise in speculation right now....

 

[Lumpy Grits]

'Chick', IF you paid with a CC. You can dispute the bill.....
Remember-Truth is not slander. That no post deal you signed, is not worth the paper it is written on.
BTDT!

LG

 

[76cj7chick]

I have Excellent News Guys and Girls!

All of your support, my families support and after my horrible experience with the local "repair shop"-just made me feel more competent. and more like an expert- ALL of this gave me the courage and confidence to bunker down and get the drive train IN the jeep.

I DID IT!

I was able to get the power train and driveshafts in! I am moving on to the shop's "work" and fix or clean it up. . Then will move on to trying to make a bracket for my TCC switch. Etc.

Anyways ---Thanks for your encouragement! OOXX

 

[76cj7chick]

'Chick', IF you paid with a CC. You can dispute the bill.....
Remember-Truth is not slander. That no post deal you signed, is not worth the paper it is written on.
BTDT!

LG

Hi Lumpy Grits-
Won't the law "frown" on me if I go this route? I am still gathering evidence and everyone is encouraging me to file a small claims suite. I think I will go forward with it.
However, I will also talk to my cc company to let them know what's going on.

Thanks for the ideas.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

That paper is worthless. Just like signing a liability waver. Means nut'n.
Call the CC company, ASAP! -You only have a certain time frame to work with here.
LG

 

[76cj7chick]

That paper is worthless. Just like signing a liability waver. Means nut'n.
Call the CC company, ASAP! -You only have a certain time frame to work with here.
LG

Hey Lumpygrits,
There is something I can do to dispute the credit card charge. According to the consumer FTC government website, if a consumer feels the repair shop did shoddy work or did things not requested or wanted etc, one can dispute the charges with the credit card company.

The consumers FTC.gov also has a sample letter to write the company and credit card company. I used it to send the repair shop an email request for a refund. (Will also do a certified letter as suggested) and gave the shop until this Friday until I contact the credit card company and other help.
Thanks for sharing as it led me to a plethora of information!

 

[Lumpy Grits]

CALL your CC company. Talk to them.......
LG

 

[76cj7chick]

I've been looking at and fixing things that the "repair" shop did or claimed to have done.

Unfortunately, I found more things damaged or/and now not working. But before I brought it the jeep to them wasn't damaged or/and was working.

I noticed after getting the jeep back there is also a crack through the boxed frame. I figure it was caused by them lifting the vehicle incorrectly (on the leaf springs) on their lift..

But perhaps all of this damage would not have happened if the officer (and owner) let me retrieve the vehicle on the morning I tried to, on April 28, 2017? I already paid the unethical $1100 bill the evening before and said I'd pay the remaining $19. But I was not allowed to take it at that moment and was told to come back at 2pm when they put back together. (It only had the front turn/running lights off and needed the Transfer Case to be secured to the cross member. I even showed the employee how and where but he refused.

Anyways, I finally got a email response from the owner about my letter of feeling taken advantage of and how the owner didn't stick with our verbal agreement, and my written instructions...
The owner basically said to handle "my" problem, that I should take it to court.

Also, I looked at their "wiring" for the front LEDs (they didn't do the backs...AND I already wired the headlights, running lights, turn, brake etc., just not with a resistor or diode since LED's were NOT my top priority.....

Anyways, I've installed LED resistors etc before in the past and listed some experiences on this forum, but the shop did it differently than I'm used to seeing and wondering if its allowable or should I correct it? (See photos).


As always, Thanks!

PS... I've been working on the jeep as often as possible and have done so much including- FINALLY getting the engine, tranny, Tcase and driveshafts in!!!! Yay! Also did about half of the things I asked the shop to do but they failed to do. Now working on the rest of the list. Waiting for some parts and will keep looking to see if I can find anymore of the shop's "work".