Attention CJ and ALL Moderators! You need to read this!

[Peanut Butter]

This is in reference to this thread: http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f2/tuning-holley-390-4-barrel-run-amc-258-a-26499/

To me the purpose of a "Moderator" is to first help the members of the forum with their questions. Making sure they are in the right category so that the question will draw the most experience people out to help answer that question. Your job is to keep all threads 'Civil'. That is probably the most important aspect of a really good forum like this one. Your job is not to close a thread because you don't like the opinions that are being given. That one is directly pointed at you "elwood blue". What you should have done is shared your experience and given a legitimate reason for your opinion. I was singled out by you in this thread as a problem. I really don't appreciate that! I gave a response, based on my experience, and my knowledge. I also invited others with a different experience to chime in.

Originally Posted by Peanut Butter -
I doubt that you will find hardly anybody that runs a 4 bbl carb with the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l . The engine was never designed for that type of set up. The secondary's are for high rpm / speed levels. The AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l is a low rpm high torque application. Maybe somebody with some carb experience in other vehicles will chime in. The whole idea of headers, 4 bbl carb, etc. is high speeds......something the jeep is not designed for. Most people that want more power will go to a V8.

This is where ya'll should've expressed your valuable experience! CJ, we very rarely hear from you anymore. Elwood Blue, you should have spoke up because you have first hand opinion to support the question! You should have gone into more detail about your setup, maybe posted some pictures, and explained why you are or are not running that setup now. But no, you get mad and close the thread while insulting others. The very thing that drives more people away then the opinions they express. Insulting others, flaming, what ever you want to call it is the most damaging thing to a forum. The only exception to that is the logging in problem. That has been going on for Months now! The little statement at the top really doesn't grab a new person's attention to the problem. It also hasn't been resolved. I'll grant you I don't know what all goes into the care and maintenance of a forum, but that should be top priority. Your loosing more members from those problems then this thread: http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f2/tuning-holley-390-4-barrel-run-amc-258-a-26499/index2.html

I wrote an article about automatic transmissions in the Jeep CJ's. I did a lot of research about this and felt like it needed to be shared. Searched the forum first to see if anyone had posted this information. Nobody had, so I submitted it for a "Technical Thread". Never heard anything back. Totally ignored. Where are the "Moderators" for that. Where is "CJ" for that. At least an explanation why it wouldn't make a good resource would have been appreciated.

My point here is I think you need to take a step back on this one. The only "Moderator" I see doing anything worth while is Pete, and he shouldn't have to do it all.

Let me just finish by saying this is my opinion, not any or everybody else's. It'll be interesting how much attention if any this gets. Thank you for letting me express my opinion.




Read more: http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f2/tu...run-amc-258-a-26499/index2.html#ixzz4HIqjQnqo

 

[tarry99]

Spot on Peanut Butter!...........

"You guys want to know why there's no traffic on this site? This is why. You want to know why all of the old regulars and guys like me that were here from the beginning of this sight have all basically checked out. This kind of ****. "

Perhaps the above quote might be the reason your traffic is down......or the fact that daily you can only muster 4-5 votes from members here that support the site........


And my response is this: Facts are Facts............deal with them.........If you want someone to hold your hand perhaps Forums are not the right place.

Forums are all about education as I have rightly stated before: "Some days your the student while others the Teacher"........Listen , question and learn.......or take whatever you can from the response's and add to it with your own research.......

What I replied would have been the same response you would have received if you called the Holley Advanced tech line............no sugar coating there .....just facts!

Don't like the response's take both the applications and put it on a Dyno while you make the changes........Now you become the Teacher.............end of conversation!



"Up until a couple of months ago, I ran a Holley 390 on my AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l , for like 4 years. It ran great, and got better MPG than a 2100 2bbl did."

Holley 390 Primaries are much smaller than most two barrel throttle bores and will burn less fuel get better MPG and respond much better.........the vacuum secondaries keep the additional bores in check until needed.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

I've been on vacation and just got to see all this . Wi-fi is spotty here(Homer, AK.).
PB & Tarry you are 110% spot on.
I suggest the folks named in Elwood's 'post' check their CP for permanent warning points. They will be at the bottom of the page. Mr. Blues has awarded me with 5 of them, all given to me on the same day. Please PM me if you want the details. I will respond as I can.
Won't be back home for a spell, having to much fun..........
X2 on the great job Peter does here.
LG

 

[Peanut Butter]

A couple more quick points: I truly enjoy this forum. It is the ONLY one I've ever stuck with. That is because of the majority of the people on this forum. Do I always agree with them, no. I'll ask a question, look at all of the responses, then I'll make MY decision. I expect others do the same thing. A lot of times there is no one right answer. But, I have got very valuable information too. Sure LG likes for all of us to know how many years he's been doing this, so what. I have things that I've done that I'm very proud of too.

The main point here is censorship by a moderator because he has a bone to pick with some of the older members.

 

[elwood blues]

Alright Internet hero's, I'm here...


Let me start with you Lumpy Grits. You know why you received infractions, don't try to hide the truth from everyone else, go ahead tell them the truth. You were a A1 Jerk, to me, and to other members of this site. You bullied your way into a ton of posts that your opinion wasn't wanted, pushed new members around until they agreed with your way of doing things, and THEN you had the audacity to question the owner of this site and how it was being managed. That's why you were awarded infraction points. Don't try to pretend that you're innocent,.

I think your confused............this is only a 390 CFM carb and the secondaries are hooked up ..............and are strictly vacuum operated.....meaning that until the engine RPM demand and signal from the engine intake track is great enough to support the additional air / fuel.........it will only run on the primary's......just the way the carb was designed to do..........Changing the diaphragm or related vacuum secondary springs will do little to nothing other than make it run worst until your motor RPM at WOT increases the demand....

And to my knowledge there is NO secondary jets in a Holley 390 nor is there a metering block back there unless someone modified it.

If your motor had a better intake track...........and the cylinder head had larger valves and a better camshaft to go with it and the port volume's were increased within so it would flow more air & fuel and the compression ratio was also increased........with all of that perhaps the motor would then have the ability to run at higher RPM's make more power while sending a greater air / fuel demand signal to the carb and thus the secondaries would open.

Spare me the zen student vs teacher BS Terry. You did NOTHING to help the original poster in question. You told him why his idea won't work, you didn't tell him how it COULD work, you insisted that it wouldn't work. And re-reading your original post, you don't state any facts... You attempt to explain how a vacuum secondary carburetor works, but you got stuck on your own biases and didn't explain to him that in fact it can be done, it just requires tuning and a little bit of work. Also, most of your "facts" are wrong, maybe you need to call Holley back.



Peanut Butter;

I have no "bone to pick with some of the older members", I'm assuming by older you're referring to your age, not the amount of time you've been on this site. What I have a problem with is internet "guru's" who INSIST that their way is the right way, their way is THE ONLY way to do something.
There are a handful of you on this site, most of you just happen to be 30 or so years older than me.

Yes, PetesCJ is around a lot more than me, and posts a lot more than me, and attempts to keep the peace. I am around a lot more than most of you realize, most of the time in the ADMIN panel clearing out cross posts, approving posts that require moderation, weeding out spam accounts, you know, the kind of stuff that a site requires to stay up and running. The fact that I don't post a lot anymore, has nothing to do with how much I'm around.

By time I had first got a look at the post in question, you guys had already been all over him telling him how his idea will NEVER work, that the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l can NEVER run right with a 4 barrel carb. Hey, guess what, I've done it for years, hey guess what, guys used to drag race I6's back in the 70's, I bet they weren't using 2 barrel carburetors. There are entire websites dedicated to making more power in all kind of different I6s. But you guys insisted, it will NEVER work, that engine was NEVER designed for, it's a tractor engine. Instead of just letting it go and waiting for someone that may have been able to actually answer OPs question, you had to tell him it will never work, abandon all of your hope and do it our way...



Here's my deal, I'm sick and tired of you internet hero's that believe that your way is the right way, that you've done it better, wheeled it harder and built bigger more bad-behind CJ's than any of us ever could or will and that your way is the ONLY way it will work.

I do not care if you don't like that I shut down a thread that was being overrun by you internet hero's telling the OP that his plan wouldn't work. Oh by the way, go back and look at the original thread in question, they all thanked me for doing what I did...

This site was created with the idea that it would be different here. This place wouldn't be pirate4x4, where new members would be treated like for asking questions, they wouldn't be told "use the search function newb" or some other BS like that. Questions wouldn't be overrun with posters telling them that it'll never work, our way is the ONLY way it will work. Go back and read the forum rules that CJ makes every new member read. If you don't like it, talk to CJ.

 

[Peanut Butter]

Well sir I stick by my original post. I did not tell the original poster that he couldn't do it. Again this is what I said:

Originally Posted by Peanut Butter -
I doubt that you will find hardly anybody that runs a 4 bbl carb with the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l . The engine was never designed for that type of set up. The secondary's are for high rpm / speed levels. The AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l is a low rpm high torque application. Maybe somebody with some carb experience in other vehicles will chime in. The whole idea of headers, 4 bbl carb, etc. is high speeds......something the jeep is not designed for. Most people that want more power will go to a V8.

Read it carefully and without all that anger you have bottled up inside. It is my opinion. I stated in a round about way that I don't feel like a Jeep needs to run 100 mph (or even 70 mph). I stated a fact about the additional equipment. It has nothing to do with torque and low speed driving which is what the Jeep CJ was designed for. BUT WAIT, I asked for others to chime in with different opinions and experience.

This is my gripe and I stick by it. You let you emotions get away with you. You lumped me into a category that I don't believe I belong in. You used your power as a moderator to influence the entire thread! My suggestion to you is to take a break, leave to forum for awhile, and when you get your head screwed back on so that you actually want to help others, come back.

I have tried talking to CJ. No response. I understand that there is a lot to do to run this site, and it keeps people busy. But that doesn't excuse your behavior either. I personally have a hugh web site with tons of information that I am constantly working on. And yes I get behind. What I don't do is turn on someone that asks me for help. I go out of my way to personally answer their questions, send them the information they are looking for, and always offer more help if needed. That is missing here from the moderators.

Beside all of that this is a great site! It is the best site and forum for Jeeps - period! I have asked many questions, and always got good answers. I may not have agreed with them, but I value the opinions from many who have done so much with their Jeeps. I plan to stick around too. And when I see abuse of power, lumping large groups of people into a single category, I get mad. I've spent my entire life as a public servant protecting others, you included. I hate bullies. I hate people that lump others into a category that may or may not be true. And I will continue to defend that till the day I die. Have I gone way off here, yes. But only to try to get you to see what you are doing.

My apologies to the other members of this forum. I felt like I had to stand up and say something when I'm being lumped into a group and being told I'm a nut. Not what I expected from an administrator.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

"Let me start with you Lumpy Grits. You know why you received infractions, don't try to hide the truth from everyone else, go ahead tell them the truth. You were a A1 Jerk, to me, and to other members of this site. You bullied your way into a ton of posts that your opinion wasn't wanted, pushed new members around until they agreed with your way of doing things, and THEN you had the audacity to question the owner of this site and how it was being managed. That's why you were awarded infraction points. Don't try to pretend that you're innocent,."

So why don't you post this evidence to your claims then? I have nut'n to hide.

You gave me 3 forever points for this. Do you really feel that was justified?
http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f16/h...strator-approval-23373/index3.html#post217747

And 2 here, post #57 is what was flagged. Facts are facts, whether someone wants to hear'em or not.
http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f2/locking-rear-axle-26009/index6.html#post217769

"You bullied your way into a ton of posts that your opinion wasn't wanted." Really, then what is this forum for, if not to respond to a question ask'd?

"THEN you had the audacity to question the owner of this site and how it was being managed."
How so? What's wrong with asking a question? How many new folks have we lost to log in issues that have been going on for a long time? These known issues are now posted on the first page of this site.

"You were a A1 Jerk, to me,"
When/how so?
I have treated you with far more courtesy/respect via PM's, than you have shown towards many on this site, including me.

I agree 110% with PB about this site and it's also why I've stayed. The core of this site is great.
I also know that we all can have an 'off' day from time to time.
Respectfully,
LG

 

[tarry99]

Alright Internet hero's, I'm here...


Spare me the zen student vs teacher BS Terry. You did NOTHING to help the original poster in question. You told him why his idea won't work, you didn't tell him how it COULD work, you insisted that it wouldn't work. And re-reading your original post, you don't state any facts... You attempt to explain how a vacuum secondary carburetor works, but you got stuck on your own biases and didn't explain to him that in fact it can be done, it just requires tuning and a little bit of work. Also, most of your "facts" are wrong, maybe you need to call Holley back.

Here's my deal, I'm sick and tired of you internet hero's that believe that your way is the right way, that you've done it better, wheeled it harder and built bigger more bad-behind CJ's than any of us ever could or will and that your way is the ONLY way it will work.

I do not care if you don't like that I shut down a thread that was being overrun by you internet hero's telling the OP that his plan wouldn't work. Oh by the way, go back and look at the original thread in question, they all thanked me for doing what I did...

This site was created with the idea that it would be different here. This place wouldn't be pirate4x4, where new members would be treated like for asking questions, they wouldn't be told "use the search function newb" or some other BS like that. Questions wouldn't be overrun with posters telling them that it'll never work, our way is the ONLY way it will work. Go back and read the forum rules that CJ makes every new member read. If you don't like it, talk to CJ.

Elwood , Not sure what you have to prove here by your totally unprofessional & unprovoked response.

I beg to differ with you Mr. elwood but it's you that needs an education on Carburetors and perhaps also ethics as everyone has a right to an opinion or to State facts.........even though you may not agree to the content nor presentation.

Fact: All Carburetors meter fuel and air based on demand through the venturi system within the carburetor (read up on it!). If the motors demands are not great enough a vacuum operated secondary does it's job by restricting it's opening and therefore restricting additional fuel........yes you can open it early but without the abilty to burn the excess fuel at a rate of 14.7 parts of air to one part of fuel...........your wasting your time.........just like I told him.

Fact: Read up on it! A 'Stoichiometric' AFR has the correct amount of air and fuel to produce a chemically complete combustion event. For gasoline engines, the stoichiometric, A/F ratio is 14.7:1, which means 14.7 parts of air to one part of fuel.

And the AFR is all about converting fuel to BTU's to generate heat within the combustion chamber.........the more fuel you can stuff in there for a given cycle and properly burn , the more heat it creates , which equals more power which equals you go faster. The same principals apply to all motors at any level.............

Orgonite first asked about opening his secondaries earlier than the factory setting and then later talked about improved breathing and later compared WOT wide open throttle ( Drag Racing ) to what he was trying to do...........of which most is hardly compatible.

And by me telling this fellow that there was more to making power than just opening the secondaries early I am now somehow wrong and not compassionate? That is a pretty sick argument.......

Sorry I don't agree with your position...........and by all means do what you have to do!

 

[elwood blues]

Well, I'm glad you all got to take your shots at me and accuse me of being unprofessional, uneducated, unethical, disrespectful and a borderline raging maniac.

I'm not going to respond to you each in turn again, it's petty and not worth my time. I am going to say this; my actions where taken in what I believed to be the best interest of this site. I closed a thread that had turned in to 2 of you, and others, telling the original poster that his idea wouldn't work, that it wasn't what he wanted, etc, etc. I closed a thread because most of the replies were not helpful to OPs original question at all. I stand by what I did, and I will do it again if the situation warrants it.

It was not long ago, this was the most active Jeep site on the internet, not just CJ site, Jeep site, period. Software issues aside, the general attitude of this site has shifted, there's less positive information exchanged between members (Jeep related or otherwise). New members that do get through with all of the difficulties of getting registered, they ask their questions are often pushed around and told that what they want to do won't work. Not just in this instance, I have seen multiple times where other members gang up on new members and tell them that their idea won't work, or that it has to be done the way the "older" (older as in have been here longer not age) member think it needs to be. I'm tired of seeing it, and I'm tired of letting it go.

 

[gert]

sad face

 

[JR74CJ5]

Sad for the state of the site at the moment... I've been "lost" for a while as I've been busy with work and My Son's high school band boosters - I'm the treasurer, so very time consuming... My jeep and time on this wonderful site have both been Limited / impacted...

Many of you know me, some have seen me poke around here and there. I'm not technically a Moderator, just a user that helped get rid of spam / sh_t posts, and helped other members get their questions in the right forum areas etc. I'm not the MOST knowledgable, nor do I ever assume my opinion is the "last word", but love to search for the posts with no replies, or low replies and help get it started and pointed in the right direction etc.

This site helped me get so much knowledge and I've made many "freinds" I hope to meet and have a cold one with white BSing about our jeeps in real life one day...

I've decided to post this reply with the hopes to pi** off no-one and bring this issue to a close, but I fully realize it may pi** off everyone instead, so it's a gamble...

I want to tell you all a "short story" many of you might even remember. We once had a member here - seemed very smart, had pretty good knowledge and loved to post on almost every thread, but especially on anything to do with ingition systems for our jeeps. He was very passionate and opinionated about a particular upgrade and would post walls of text regurgitated from a well known and pretty respected name in the jeeping world. Everything was CAPITALIZED or bolded or CAPITALIZED AND BOLDED (some times even CAPITALIZED, BOLDED AND UNDERLINED and it always felt like he was talking at you, not with you... It was always "you have to do this" - "go test this in the garage now and get back to me" - "I can't believe you did that it's stupid" etc. That guy really got on my nerves and it was my mission to ensure that I replied to any post I felt he was bulling someone in to tell them " hey this guy may be right, but it's not the only way lets..." etc. I'll admit it was very passive agressive, but I felt it was better than calling him out personally.

Finally one day I had the dreaded "my HEI DUI distributor grear ate my cam shaft gear" post. Well of course, here he came... Pages and pages (pages not posts...) of walls of text, directions, "see what happened to this guy - that's why you never ...", etc... As I said above, I'll try to keep this short, so with that in mind, ultimately after many warnings, I ended up closing my own thread and ultimately banning this person from the site. The first one ever since site was opened that was not a spammer. CJ and I spoke and agreed - so it was done.

A few months later, a very respected jeeper here posted a awesome write up on a ignition system upgrade that is (again) very well known in this community, and as I read his thread I thought "damn - I wish I would have given this a chance instead of my DUI ignition". This was the same system / set-up that the "problem-groupie" (as I called him) was always on and on about, but he bugged me so much with his personality, I never once thought twice about the system he appeard to be pushing for (almost salesman like) in every post. I wished I would have learned about it long before...

SO IN CLOSING (Like what I did there? )

I can see where Elwood's position was from - sometimes you are so tired of seeing discouragment and "my ways better" posts everywhere, so you finally have enough and.... Well this happens...

I know Lumpy has so much knowledge and experience with a lot of things, and know he means well. I think that text on a website has the potential to be read in many different "tones". Your opinion of a person based on knowledge of their past posts and responses has a tendancy to make you read a person's post is a "voice or tone" in your head. Sometimes that voice or tone almost changes the meaning of the words that are written. It's actually quite facinating if you think about it, but crappy in this situation. Like the guy I mentioned above - his written words read to me as a sales pitch every time I seen a post from him. All I wanted to do was slam my door on him like a door to door salesman on a Sunday morning... - If I had one piece of advice for you Lumpy, it would be to be a bit less definite in your responses. Help and try to guide those of us with much less knowledge than you, but in a way that is not forceful or demanding, and let them make the final choice without the "well it's your funeral" type responses. I hope you catch my meaning, and it's not that I dislike you or find you to be a rude person... Take it or leave it, just my humble advice...

I can also say I've known Tarry for years now (as forum friends) and he's even spoken to me on the phone before while I had questions on something he knew more than me about... The guys a real good guy. I will say this though Tarry - It wasn't so long ago I needed someone to hold my hand. The reason I stuck with this forum over the "ARRRR" site was that here people would. They were nice, forgiving of my ignorance at first, and realized all I needed was a little guidance and confidence to move forward on my own, research a lot more than just what I was told, and then offer guidance to others who, like I was, are just getting started on their first CJ project. They didn't tell me I can't do this, or go to a mechanic, or flame me or bully me in any way. That's what I loved about this site... it was the forum where you could ask a dumb question as a newb and get real responses... Now if you ask me more than once what a 9/16 open end wrench is, I may tell you, as diplomatically as possible, you should probably own a prius

Peanut butter - I haven't read a lot of your posts, but know you've been around a while. I don't think your post was "over the top" out of line on the holley thread. You gave your opinion and advice and said " maybe others will chime in". I think you got lumped in a bit honestly, though it's not my place to speak for Elwood...

Elwood, if it were me (as I said before to LG - just my humble advice, take it or leave it...) - I'd clear the air a bit, swallow my pride a bit and apologize for the personal pokes where necessary, and make it a point to explain in threads if you feel they're being sidetracked / bullied one sided. I hate that too, as my story above dictates, but if your response was:

Guys - OP wants to know how to ____ not wheather or not we would do it...

I personally ran _____

This is how I had it set up -----

Let me know if questions

the thread may have been corrected on course (if one was needed) and OP would have gained more knowledge that you had to offer.

However, I also feel there is a point in which you have guided and directed and warned a member enough times to warrant additional diciplinary actions, and realize these guidances, warning, and previous diciplinary actions / attempts to correct unwanted behavoir, are mostly done in private. People not knowing how many times you've attempted to do these things think "man what as A-- hole, he just blew up for no reason..." Then this thread pops up and calls you out as that A--Hole and you doubled down... I know why - but remember, they don't...

The policy has never been public shaming, so you may choose to let them feel that way without defending yourself, or not and show proof of your prior "calmer" attempts - up to you... I know, and appriciate, everything you do that most people don't know about. It's your call what to do from here...

Everyone in this thread cares about this site for one reason or another and has a responsibility to remain respectful with eachother and talk jeeps / share expertice / help eachother be DIY mechanics when possible... That's what CJ built this site for. We all owe him that for all his hard work and wishes, even if you feel he's abandonded the site - which I assure you is not the case...

I hope, as we're all adults here, that we can all take a step back, breathe, and say --------

"damn that JR guy is soooo cool, and so is his Jeep, I want to go wheel the Rubicon with him next year!"

Just my 2c all - I hope maybe it's helped a little, with some perspective if nothing else from a fellow jeeper...



~ Jr

 

[IOPort51]

Damn that JR guy is sooo cool!!

 

[gr8dain]

And so is his Jeep.

 

[JR74CJ5]

Damn that JR guy is sooo cool!!

And so is his Jeep.

You guys are invited!

Let's wheel!

 

[Lumpy Grits]

Who's this JR guy

LG

 

[JR74CJ5]

Who's this JR guy

LG

He's some young-buck that likes to :driving: :booze: and .

Having a hard time finding pianos that A) I can climb on these days and B) will support my fat a-- while dancing.... and C) crowds that don't through me out the door when I try!

 

[Hedgehog]

Thank you JR.

I have little to add to JR's post but he did jog my memory some and I think it might be appropriate here. Many years ago now I was a moderator on a very big predator hunting site that got to big for it's own good, we were getting over a million hits a day, yes a million hits a day. Talk about aggressive posters, get a bunch of predator hunters together on one board. We strived to be much like this board, aggression was not tolerated well.

Amongst the moderators I had one that I began to absolutely hate, Randy Bl. Every post in the back room seemed to be a cheap shot at me or my moderating style. This guy almost never posted in an open forum and seemed to be to good to mingle with the regular folks. For me it was a chore to keep calm when ever I saw his name on a post, especially one to me. This went on for quite some time.

Then one day there was a post from Randy Bl. that really got me going. After reading it there was steam shooting out my ears. So I stepped away from the computer for a day or so. When I came back I realized that it was not a post from my enemy Randy Bl. at all. The offending post was from Randy BU. a moderator I was proud to call friend. Then I reread the entire post, but with Randy Bu. in my head. OMG, it was an entirely different post, it was informative and packed full of the right way to handle a certain situation. The whole experience was a revelation. A complete change in my outlook on posts. From then on I tried to read the words without the personal baggage and prejudice tied to the poster. Sometimes it was a chore, but in the end my outlook changes dramatically.

I most certainly can't speak for this board, but in my experience, JR is right, most communication from moderators is handled off the open board. The PM is a tool used for frank and open discussion about one problem or another without the general membership knowing. There's no shame in it, we all get side tracked, we all occasionally post more aggressively than intended. Occasionally we all need to forgive and forget, even I was eventually able to move on from my issues with Randy Bl. ........ I had to quite the darned board to do it though.....

 

[Kane]

I have been frequenting forums for 15 years and I moderated one for about 6 years so I see and have known both side of the coin. Here is how I handle things based off of that experience.

1. If I have a thought that I think will help a posters question, I give it. If nobody responds to my post then I don't bother with that topic anymore. If they do respond then i am more than happy to help out.

2. If a member of a forum bugs me I don't post or respond to any of their threads or posts.

3. If someone tries to argue with me. I simply leave the thread and don't go back.

4. If I get upset about something or how a site is being run I take a step back for awhile and check back in some other time. If things improve I stick around and if not then no love lost. See ya.

5. Basically one thing I never do because quite simply, this is the internet, is argue with people in forums or get all ticked off over some keyboard hero. It really is just not worth my time, energy or frustration over something that really does not matter in the grand scheme of life.

 

[IOPort51]

I have been frequenting forums for 15 years and I moderated one for about 6 years so I see and have known both side of the coin. Here is how I handle things based off of that experience.

1. If I have a thought that I think will help a posters question, I give it. If nobody responds to my post then I don't bother with that topic anymore. If they do respond then i am more than happy to help out.

2. If a member of a forum bugs me I don't post or respond to any of their threads or posts.

3. If someone tries to argue with me. I simply leave the thread and don't go back.

4. If I get upset about something or how a site is being run I take a step back for awhile and check back in some other time. If things improve I stick around and if not then no love lost. See ya.

5. Basically one thing I never do because quite simply, this is the internet, is argue with people in forums or get all ticked off over some keyboard hero. It really is just not worth my time, energy or frustration over something that really does not matter in the grand scheme of life.

I regret not being able to thank you more than once^^^

 

[Kane]

I regret not being able to thank you more than once^^^

When I used to post on the site a lot we always seemed to be on the same page sir. Plus I think we are the old timers that the OP was talking about? After all we have been on the site since its inception. lol