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Header bolts and gaskets

Header bolts and gaskets

Purple77CJ7

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1977 CJ 7; Amc 401 .30 over, Howell TBI, modified Dana 20 with Terra Low gears and twin sticks, NV 4500 5-speed, modified Dana 30 and Amc 20 both with 4.56 gears (narrow track), ARB air lockers front and rear, SSBC rear disc brake conversion, MICO Brake park brake, Navaho brake booster/ master cylinder, PowerTank CO2 tank.
Header bolts:
I read some other threads on this site about header bolts, most agree that Stage 8 bolts are the best. I agree, but I had to modify them to work with Edelbrock shorty headers, on the center bolts. Other brands of headers may or may not need modified. These bolts are nickle coated and no need for Lock Tite or anti-seize.

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I had to file a flat spot (at red line) to fit, for clearance between bolt and tube. It files easy by hand since they are aluminum. Once done they attach easy.

There is another brand of locking bolt that I have not tried yet, but I have heard they work good. From Percy.

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AMC V-8 Header gaskets:
I read some posts here about header gaskets and no fix. I tried several different brands and not all gaskets are equal. Some fit the dog legs better than others. I would always have leaks at the dog leg from poor fit or blown out material. For my headers the Edlebrock gaskets fit the best, but would become brittle and blow out. I even tried the expensive copper gaskets, they would not seal either. So were does it say you have to use a header gasket with headers? I was about to go back to stock exhaust manifolds, when I tried stock gaskets with my headers. They are made out of different material than the standard header gasket.

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I installed the stock 3 piece set and have had no leaks or blow outs. To install, I used some high temp. silicone ( orange or red or ulta-copper) to stick the gaskets to the head with the head bolts run in by hand until set. Then bolt up headers. I have even re used these gaskets before with out any leaks. I thought with the opening between the two center tubes that it would cause problems but I think it scavenges some and actually runs good.
Hope this will help somebody out.:)
 
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I use Stage 8 with modification as well.

I also had problems with header gasket leakage.

I went to these:

Percy's High Performance 68044 - Percy's XX Carbon Exhaust Header Gaskets - Overview - SummitRacing.com

So far they have not failed me yet, and I think the main reason the gaskets were so prone to failure was the bolts were backing off and allowing it to shift, swell and shrink etc.

I think The header-bolts may have been the main fix, but these gaskets are very thick, and seem to seal excellently.

Thanks Purple77CJ7 for the good info too :cool:

:chug:

~ JR
 
I use Stage 8 with modification as well.

I also had problems with header gasket leakage.

I went to these:

Percy's High Performance 68044 - Percy's XX Carbon Exhaust Header Gaskets - Overview - SummitRacing.com

So far they have not failed me yet, and I think the main reason the gaskets were so prone to failure was the bolts were backing off and allowing it to shift, swell and shrink etc.

I think The header-bolts may have been the main fix, but these gaskets are very thick, and seem to seal excellently.

Thanks Purple77CJ7 for the good info too :cool:

:chug:

~ JR



That is a good point with the loose bolts. And those gaskets that are made of better material,too.
 
Question:
Using stock iron manifolds, would it be better to use bolts or studs/nuts?

I already bought grade 8 bolts, but holding those darn manifolds in place is a b..ch while trying to thread a few bolts. Sure would seem easier to hang them on a set of studs and seal the deal with a nut/lockwasher...
 
I would think as long as you got grade 5 or 8 studs that it would work. I think using studs, I would never seize the studs. Down the road they could be tough getting back out. I would also use lock nuts (not nylocks). Years ago on old equipment ( tractors and trucks) that was how exhaust manifolds were attached. I think to cut down on production costs the manufacturers used bolts instead. One piece compared to two or three pieces. My thoughts.
 
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You might have to go to some place like Fastenal to see if they have shoulder bolts. Or I have seen some steel sleeves at Ace Hardware that you could cut and make your own. Other wise I'm not sure if it's needed.
 
thanks purple...
I actually just took down the post because I figured I'm just overthinking this....

Too much time on my hands some days!!

thanks again
brian
 

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