Health Care Refrom?

[CJ]

I know I said no political BS in this forum, but I really think this is a hot topic.

So, what do you all think?

Place your thoughts here...

 

[coldwater]

You asked for it..

The government is overstepping It's boundaries by trying to enact an overwhelmingly unpopular bill, and forcing the people of the US to bear a social program that is by definition expressly forbidden by the Constitution. Being forced by the government to enter into a socialist program under penalty of fine and taxation is an unacceptable action, and little more than 200 short years ago, blood was running for such actions as these. Taxation, against the will of the people, and the enaction of a government takeover of the health care system is socialism, and the government is forcing It's "subjects" to support a forced and fabricated morality as they see fit. The government, as of today, holds private real estate in the form of bailed out Fannie and Freddie, a large portion of our banking system, the purse strings of the auto industry, and soon, the health care of the people. I aint happy one damn bit.

 

[gillmore]

What Coldwater said...x2.

I don't mind collectivism, but I think participation should be a personal choice - not one formalized and forced upon individuals and families.

 

[Old Dog]

As usual CW said it better than I could so X3.
I should also say that none of my wifes DR's or any of mine like the idea either.

 

[Cheepjeep85]

x4 on what cw said, i love the thought of doubling the national debt our kids will thank us and all will be great

 

[IOPort51]

I know I said no political BS in this forum, but I really think this is a hot topic.

So, what do you all think?

Place your thoughts here...

I don't remember you ever saying this! every time things get a bit dull around here ........ I think that the majority of the people in this forum are of a conservative mind set, It will be interesting to see if there are any pro health care voices in this particular wilderness.

Now by way of my .02
This is Ironic and sarcastic.

"But gee Mr Peabody, hasn't the federal government done an absolutely steller job creating and managing it's social programs??"
"Well Sherman lets climb into the way back machine and look at every federal program from the constitutionally illegal federal income tax to the Office of home land security, you will have to take your shoes off for that, and then all the way up to the Alaskan bridge to nowhere."

My favorite is the 10 year study that proved conclusively that diet and exercise were directly related to body weight.
The only good thing that Mr Obama has done for Health care is to make Hillery secretary of state. Hopefully she will not start another war, and she did restore cell phone coverage to Haiti. Can you imagine what she could have done if she were "in country" she would be on the TV more than OJ Simpson was.
That woman knows how to stir some .

I am of the opinion that if I lived in a country with socialized medicine I would be dead already.

 

[LongHorn]

What Coldwater said...x2.

I don't mind collectivism, but I think participation should be a personal choice - not one formalized and forced upon individuals and families.

Social Security started out as personal choice.
I had to apply for my card when I stared to work.
My kids had to have one before they left the hospital!
When it started you could only draw out what you payed in.
Now you can draw out without paying anything in!
They just want another slush fund they can steal blind like S.S.!

I love it when they say our healthcare system only ranks 17th or 20th in the world.
I read regularly that this sheik or that king or head of state is in the Houston medical center for heart surgery or cancer treatment.
Hell look how many heart attacks they managed to bring <-BAD WORD-> Cheney through.

My other issue is , If this POS is so good why has congress exempted themselves from the illustrious Obama care plan?

I also find it interesting that a bunch out lawyers we call congress can pass this B.S. piece of legislation without lawsuit reform.
I mean in these class action law suits the only people that get anything are the lawyers!

I'll step off my soap box Y'all.

 

[LongHorn]

I guess you have to write Richard Cheney.

 

[coldwater]

Social Security started out as personal choice.
QUOTE]

Hence the problem. SOCIAL, security. It is in fact social, as in socialIST, but is in no way secure. Socialism does not work on ANY level or ANY program. Social security has been technecally broke for 30 years or more. And we are being made by a corrupt govenment, to pay for a program that is supporting people that it was never designed to help. Now these SOB's want a trillion dollars to piss away at will, on a program that is a 100% guaranteed failure bound train wreck. It's not even just health care, It's the fact that WE ARE BROKE, AND WE CONTINUE TO BORROW FROM THE CHINESE TO SUPPORT SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT TAKEOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LongHorn]

Social Security started out as personal choice.
QUOTE]

Hence the problem. SOCIAL, security. It is in fact social, as in socialIST, but is in no way secure. Socialism does not work on ANY level or ANY program. Social security has been technecally broke for 30 years or more. And we are being made by a corrupt govenment, to pay for a program that is supporting people that it was never designed to help. Now these SOB's want a trillion dollars to piss away at will, on a program that is a 100% guaranteed failure bound train wreck. It's not even just health care, It's the fact that WE ARE BROKE, AND WE CONTINUE TO BORROW FROM THE CHINESE TO SUPPORT SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT TAKEOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

X1000 on that! Don't forget haiti, africa, russia, brasil, columbia & on & on & on!

 

[LongHorn]

X1000 on that! Don't forget haiti, africa, russia, brasil, columbia & on & on & on!

Whoops, I almost left out the Most Corrupt U.S. supported institution of all time the
United Nations

 

[coldwater]

X1000 on that! Don't forget haiti, africa, russia, brasil, columbia & on & on & on!

It's always a pleasant surprise to find others that have a mind of their own, an ability to think clearly, and the personal courage to speak their minds without fear of "hurting the feelings of the great social healers"
Funny, but this line of conversation is closely aligned with the current health care disaster. SOCIALISM, plain and simple. When you remove the drive of the people to do for themselves by supplying their needs, progress,, personal, or as a nation, will never will never happen. You will only create a pathetic welfare society, completely and hopelessly dependant on a totalitarian government to support them. The absolute destruction of the classes, and a worthless society. You mention Haiti. A disaster since It's beginnings, because the people had no drive or desire to succeed as a society. They opened shop as a corrupt, worthless gaggle of bipeds, content to breed, eat, and sleep in the dirt. No heroes, no leaders, no ambition. So, here come the do gooders!! Begging the world for handouts to help the poor unfortunates, which is a noble calling, IF the help is used as a hand up, and not a hand out. Fast forward AMC 150 years, and hundreds of millions of dollars, plus tangible aid, and their still the same pathetic mess they were back at day one. You cannot help those that refuse to help themselves. The current government of the United States, is going down the same path, and trying to create a failure prone society. One world...one global socialist spineless mass.

 

[LongHorn]

It's always a pleasant surprise to find others that have a mind of their own, an ability to think clearly, and the personal courage to speak their minds without fear of "hurting the feelings of the great social healers"
Funny, but this line of conversation is closely aligned with the current health care disaster. SOCIALISM, plain and simple. When you remove the drive of the people to do for themselves by supplying their needs, progress,, personal, or as a nation, will never will never happen. You will only create a pathetic welfare society, completely and hopelessly dependant on a totalitarian government to support them. The absolute destruction of the classes, and a worthless society. You mention Haiti. A disaster since It's beginnings, because the people had no drive or desire to succeed as a society. They opened shop as a corrupt, worthless gaggle of bipeds, content to breed, eat, and sleep in the dirt. No heroes, no leaders, no ambition. So, here come the do gooders!! Begging the world for handouts to help the poor unfortunates, which is a noble calling, IF the help is used as a hand up, and not a hand out. Fast forward AMC 150 years, and hundreds of millions of dollars, plus tangible aid, and their still the same pathetic mess they were back at day one. You cannot help those that refuse to help themselves. The current government of the United States, is going down the same path, and trying to create a failure prone society. One world...one global socialist spineless mass.

Call me non-PC if you will, Please!
What ever happened to survival of the fittest?
Or the best & the brightest?
Nowadays everything seems to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator!

I even heard a liberal bihing about the new Texas social studies book having the unmitigated gall to state the fact that we live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy!

 

[LongHorn]

A great quote.
"It was once the proud declaration of many educators that 'We are here to teach you how to think, not what to think.' But far too many of our teachers and professors today are teaching their students what to think, about everything from global warming to the new trinity of 'race, class and gender.' Even if all the conclusions with which they indoctrinate their students were 100 percent correct, that would still not be equipping students with the mental skills to weigh opposing views for themselves, in order to be prepared for new and unforeseeable issues that will arise over their lifetimes, after they leave the schools and colleges. Many of today's 'educators' not only supply students with conclusions, they promote the idea that students should spring into action because of these prepackaged conclusions -- in other words, vent their feelings and go galloping off on crusades, without either a knowledge of what is said by those on the other side or the intellectual discipline to know how to analyze opposing arguments. ... A philosopher once said that the most important knowledge is knowledge of one's own ignorance. That is the knowledge that too many of our schools and colleges are failing to teach our young people." --economist Thomas Sowell

 

[LongHorn]

Some where on I-70 in Missouri.
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[BajaEdition]

we do need health care reform, but not the way they are pushing it down our throat in Washington.
We need to get to the root of the problem and not throw money down a tube because we need more guys covered, we need to cut cost in health care by limiting tax write offs and other things like that.
Socialized medicine does not work anywhere in Europe, why will itwork here?
Lawyers are a big cause of the expense.
this nation needs manufacturing jobs first to get in a place we can pay our dept. and heath care will follow

 

[LongHorn]

we do need health care reform, but not the way they are pushing it down our throat in Washington.
We need to get to the root of the problem and not throw money down a tube because we need more guys covered, we need to cut cost in health care by limiting tax write offs and other things like that.
Socialized medicine does not work anywhere in Europe, why will itwork here?
Lawyers are a big cause of the expense.
this nation needs manufacturing jobs first to get in a place we can pay our dept. and heath care will follow

X2 on that.

 

[73CJ]

[FONT=&quot]*[/FONT][FONT=&quot]To All 535 voting members of the Legislature; it is now official you are ALL corrupt morons:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] *a.. The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[FONT=&quot] *b.. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *c.. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *d.. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *e.. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *f.. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *g.. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.*[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] *AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM? *[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[FONT=&quot] *IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NEED FOR GOOD HEALTH CARE, IT'S ABOUT TRUSTING THE GOVERNMENT TO RUN IT!*[/FONT]

[/FONT]

 

[LongHorn]

[FONT=&quot]*[/FONT][FONT=&quot]To All 535 voting members of the Legislature; it is now official you are ALL corrupt morons:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] *a.. The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[FONT=&quot] *b.. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *c.. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *d.. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *e.. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *f.. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.*[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *g.. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] *[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.*[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] *AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM? *[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[FONT=&quot] *IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NEED FOR GOOD HEALTH CARE, IT'S ABOUT TRUSTING THE GOVERNMENT TO RUN IT!*[/FONT]

[/FONT]

And now their talking about Mon-Wed service for the post office!

 

[crust]

Heck, I'm just waiting for a complete social redistribution of wealth so I can stay at home drink beer and work on the CJ I neglect.

Well our Board of Stupervisors has deemed the drivers and mechanics for our snow removal equipment as "nonessential". This means we are not needed when the county is shut down due to 3ft of snow in 6 hours. Like we had in the last storm. How did we get to this point.