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Health Care Refrom?

Health Care Refrom?
Heck, I'm just waiting for a complete social redistribution of wealth so I can stay at home drink beer and work on the CJ I neglect. :chug::chug:

Well our Board of Stupervisors has deemed the drivers and mechanics for our snow removal equipment as "nonessential". This means we are not needed when the county is shut down due to 3ft of snow in 6 hours. Like we had in the last storm.:eek: How did we get to this point.

Welcome to the "Peoples Republic of Obamastan"!:mad:
 
we do need health care reform, but not the way they are pushing it down our throat in Washington.
We need to get to the root of the problem and not throw money down a tube because we need more guys covered, we need to cut cost in health care by limiting tax write offs and other things like that.
Socialized medicine does not work anywhere in Europe, why will itwork here?
Lawyers are a big cause of the expense.
this nation needs manufacturing jobs first to get in a place we can pay our dept. and heath care will follow

That susms it up. The president is, by definition, insane.

Insanity...is doing the same thing time and time again, and expecting a diferent outcome.

HEY BARRY! Let's try socialism! I bet that will fix everything!!!!
 
Well boys it looks like we got it.:mad:
 
I firmly believe that this is a direct violation of the Constitution and the 10th ammendment. We'll have to see what the highest court in the land will have to say about this. By either peaceful ballot, or short rope and hot lead, this admin has to go.
 
I firmly believe that this is a direct violation of the Constitution and the 10th ammendment. We'll have to see what the highest court in the land will have to say about this. By either peaceful ballot, or short rope and hot lead, this admin has to go.

It's comparable to castros cuba.
castro got in power in 1959 & nationalized healthcare in 1961.
Two years, the same time frame as nobama.
Hell, he's already nationalized most of the auto industry.:mad:
 
It's comparable to castros cuba.
castro got in power in 1959 & nationalized healthcare in 1961.
Two years, the same time frame as nobama.
Hell, he's already nationalized most of the auto industry.:mad:

Let's not forget banking and realestate.
 
"The great masses of the people ...
will more easily fall victims
to a big lie than
to a small one."
-- Adolf Hitler
(1889-1945) German Nazi Dictator
Source: Mein Kampf, 1933
:eek:
 
I guess it's not over till it's over.


"To protect all Texans' constitutional rights, preserve the constitutional framework intended by our nation's founders, and defend our state from further infringement by the federal government, the State of Texas and other states will legally challenge the federal health care legislation," said Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
 
I guess it's not over till it's over.


"To protect all Texans' constitutional rights, preserve the constitutional framework intended by our nation's founders, and defend our state from further infringement by the federal government, the State of Texas and other states will legally challenge the federal health care legislation," said Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
:patriot: hopefully the state of georgia has the balls to jump on this bandwagon
 
Some poignant quotes by Thomas Jefferson

It has been said the greatest volume of sheer brain power in one place occurred when Jefferson dined alone. -- John Kennedy

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. -- Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. -- Thomas Jefferson

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. -- Thomas Jefferson
 
“HAVANA (AP)—It perhaps was not the endorsement President Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress were looking for.
“Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform “a miracle” and a major victory for Obama’s presidency, but couldn’t help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.
“We consider health reform to have been an important battle and a success of his (Obama’s) government,” Castro wrote in an essay published in state media, adding that it would strengthen the president’s hand against lobbyists and “mercenaries.”
“But the Cuban leader also used the lengthy piece to criticize the American president for his lack of leadership on climate change and immigration reform, and for his decision to send more troops to Afghanistan, among many other things.
“And he said it was remarkable that the most powerful country on earth took more than two centuries from its founding to approve something as basic as health benefits for all.
“It is really incredible that 234 years after the Declaration of Independence ... the government of that country has approved medical attention for the majority of its citizens, something that Cuba was able to do half a century ago,” Castro wrote.”
:eek:
 
“HAVANA (AP)—It perhaps was not the endorsement President Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress were looking for.
“Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform “a miracle” and a major victory for Obama’s presidency, but couldn’t help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.
“We consider health reform to have been an important battle and a success of his (Obama’s) government,” Castro wrote in an essay published in state media, adding that it would strengthen the president’s hand against lobbyists and “mercenaries.”
“But the Cuban leader also used the lengthy piece to criticize the American president for his lack of leadership on climate change and immigration reform, and for his decision to send more troops to Afghanistan, among many other things.
“And he said it was remarkable that the most powerful country on earth took more than two centuries from its founding to approve something as basic as health benefits for all.
“It is really incredible that 234 years after the Declaration of Independence ... the government of that country has approved medical attention for the majority of its citizens, something that Cuba was able to do half a century ago,” Castro wrote.”
:eek:
well ain't this just awesome we've been applauded by a @&#&* communist, i bet obama asked castro for advice
 
Sure this mess won't cost us a thing! :(

And I wonder who is going to pay for the fees that AT&T, 3M, Cat. and AK have to float? Hmm, could it be the every day consumer? No higher prices my <-BAD WORD->!

AT&T Plans $1 Billion Charge Tied to Health Benefits



AT&T Inc. plans to take a noncash $1 billion charge in the first quarter in anticipating the impact of changes brought by the nation's health-care overhaul.
The Dallas-based telecommunications giant is the latest—and largest—company to take a charge to account for the increased costs under the new health-care plan. Specifically, the legislation prevents corporations from deducting tax-free subsidies they receive from the government for providing retirees with prescription-drug benefits.
The company will evaluate prospective changes to its active and retiree health-care benefits, according to a filing with Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday.
The size of AT&T's charge is notable. The company employs more union workers than all of the U.S. auto makers combined, and has to support a sizeable retiree base. Over the past year, AT&T has worked to sign its landline workers to a new contract with the intent of reducing its health-care costs. It is still working on one region after signing up a majority of its union employees.
Also Friday, 3M Co. said it expects to record a noncash charge of $85 million to $90 million for the first quarter due to the legislated health-care changes.
AT&T and 3M follow Deere & Co., Caterpillar Inc. and AK Steel Holding Corp. in taking the one-time charge.
The companies are taking the charges now even though the effects of the health-care law don't take effect until 2013.



AT&T Plans $1 Billion Charge - WSJ.com
AT&T Joins Growing List of Firms That Say Health Care Law Will Cut Into Their Profits



AT&T said Friday that it is preparing for President Obama's health care overhaul to cost the telecommunications giant an additional $1 billion in expenses in the first quarter, possibly forcing the company to cut benefits it offers to current and retired workers.
AT&T is the latest and biggest company to account for the financial impact that the health care overhaul will have on its bottom line. It said the tax ramifications related to the legislation that Obama signed Tuesday will force it to take a non-cash charge -- an expense that does not require cash to be paid out but has to be charged against the company's earnings.
Earlier this week, AK Steel Corp., Caterpillar, Deere and Valero Energy announced similar accounting charges, saying the health care law will raise their expenses. On Friday, 3M said it will also take a charge of $85 million to $90 million.
But AT&T's charge is the largest disclosed so far. The other five's combined charges are less than half of the $1 billion that AT&T is planning. And the $1 billion is a third of AT&T's most recent quarterly profit. In the fourth quarter of 2009, the company earned $3 billion on revenue of $30.9 billion.
The sweeping health care legislation that Obama signed into law Tuesday requires companies of a certain size to provide health care coverage to their workers in an effort to expand insurance to some 32 million Americans.

Taxes on some companies are being raised to help defray the cost of the legislation.
AT&T said Friday that the charge reflects changes to how Medicare subsidies are taxed. Companies say the health care overhaul will require them to start paying taxes next year on a subsidy they receive for retiree drug coverage.
Business organizations, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, have slammed the new law, arguing it will hurt companies by adding new costs and additional tax burdens.
Chamber spokesman Blair Latoff said Friday in an e-mail that altering the tax law "will have a negative impact" on companies' cash flows, particularly in the first year of the law's enactment.
Latoff added, "the government will quickly find out that by raising the costs for employers to provide retiree drug plans, they are incenting employers to drop these plans and send their employees to the Medicare program; in other words, the government will no longer pay a portion of their costs…it will pay all of their costs."
Karl Rove, a senior aide to former President Bush and a Fox News contributor, also predicted that more companies will drop their retiree drug plans and "put the entire cost on the federal taxpayer."
"There's no incentive any longer for them to continue to have a cordial relationship with their retirees by continuing to pay most of the cost of their drugs," he told Fox News.
An Obama administration official did not respond to a request for comment on AT&T's announcement but the White House in the past has suggested that companies are exaggerating the impact of the loss because they oppose the new law.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday that the tax law closed a loophole.
Under the 2003 Medicare prescription drug program, companies that provide prescription drug benefits for retirees have been able to receive subsidies covering 28 percent of eligible costs. But they could deduct the entire amount they spent on these drug benefits -- including the subsidies -- from their taxable income.
The new law allows companies to only deduct the 72 percent they spent.
The White House and Democratic leaders in Congress argue that under the old law, companies were in effect getting two deductions, not one, because they were able to deduct from the taxes they pay each year the amount of the subsidy the government was giving these companies to help them out.
AT&T also said Friday that it is looking into changing the health care benefits it offers because of the new law. Analysts say retirees could lose the prescription drug coverage provided by their former employers as a result of the overhaul.
Changes to benefits are unlikely to take effect immediately. Rather, the issue would most likely come up as part of contract negotiations between the company and unions representing its employees and retirees. AT&T is the largest private employer of union workers in the U.S.
Candice Johnson, spokeswoman for the Communications Workers of America, which represents more than 160,000 AT&T workers, said these employees have contracts in place until 2012. An agreement covering retirees also runs through 2012.
AT&T rival Verizon Communications Inc. was among 10 companies that sent a letter to congressional leaders in December warning that their costs would increase with the health care changes. Verizon spokesman Peter Thonis said the company had no comment.


FOXNews.com - AT&T Joins Growing List of Firms That Say Health Care Law Will Cut Into Their Profits
 
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. ... Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." --Ronald Reagan
 
It's not about health care , it's about the re distribution of wealth. think about it.:cool:

"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. ... Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." --Ronald Reagan
 
if you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free. – P.J. O'Rourke (1993)

unless you think there will plenty of resources available for free medical care.
America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damned well pleased.
P. J. O'Rourke

Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.
P. J. O'Rourke

Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.
P. J. O'Rourke

Feeling good about government is like looking on the bright side of any catastrophe. When you quit looking on the bright side, the catastrophe is still there.
P. J. O'Rourke

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
P. J. O'Rourke

Ahhhh, that last one really takes my back..... Yeah I know waaaaaay back!:laugh:
 

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