I need opinions on two topics....

[wilurb63]

Do not put your harness in the dish washer. The fuse box will retain the water soap and will start to corrode inside. If you take it to the car wash be sure to cover the box with a large ziplock and ducktape.

 

[Rescue Diver]

I hope I didn't open up a can of worms.....MN CJ7, by the time you responded, I had already put it in the dishwasher. Nothing I can do about that now, but it did come out BEAUTIFULLY!!

Before:


After:


I will run some dishwasher cleaner thru it, empty, before I wash any more dishes

Oh know! you're really screwed now. Time to buy a new dish washer!

Seriously, don't worry about the wiring harnass. It'll be fine after being wet. Case in point, I soaked the living you know what out of mine when cleaning it and it works just fine. Think about all the wires under your hood or chassis that would be soaked in salt water all winter if you lived in the snowy mid west. Those wires still work. Some people deal in theories or campus intellectual bable, and some people deal in real world experience and learn from what they've actually seen work well.

Great work on the CJ5 by the way! I'm really impressed!

 

[Cheepjeep85]

agreed. there really isn't that much lead in the wiring harness, most connections are crimped and not soldered. even if there were alot of lead in it i doubt the dishwasher gets hot enough to melt it, or if there is even enough in it to hurt you.

 

[chodette]

Thank you guys for all the help. I did pull out a few of the fuses after it had dried (NOT in the dishwasher) to see if there was any left over moisture and they were dry as a bone. I am really pleased with how well it worked and it did save me A LOT of time. I will let you all know if there are any problems once I reinstall it. I did shoot it with Simple Green Motorsports Cleaner and Degreaser right before I started it. That stuff is great!

 

[Rescue Diver]

Thank you guys for all the help. I did pull out a few of the fuses after it had dried (NOT in the dishwasher) to see if there was any left over moisture and they were dry as a bone. I am really pleased with how well it worked and it did save me A LOT of time. I will let you all know if there are any problems once I reinstall it. I did shoot it with Simple Green Motorsports Cleaner and Degreaser right before I started it. That stuff is great!

Keep the pics of your progress coming! Did you start a build thread? It's be fun to watch this thing come together!

 

[chodette]

Not yet, but I will. I work on it about 6-8 hours per day/5 days a week so it is moving along quite nicely. I was waiting until I had the body ready for the paint before I started a thread. You guys probably aren't that interested in all the tedious little stuff like seat brackets and heater housings. I have OCD when it comes to the little stuff EVERYTHING is getting cleaned up!

 

[Cheepjeep85]

yes we are, that's what a build thread is all about. feel free to share all of the work with us. before and after pics are great. i wish i could work on mine like that. you got a full time job with your jeep.

 

[Rescue Diver]

Not yet, but I will. I work on it about 6-8 hours per day/5 days a week so it is moving along quite nicely. I was waiting until I had the body ready for the paint before I started a thread. You guys probably aren't that interested in all the tedious little stuff like seat brackets and heater housings. I have OCD when it comes to the little stuff EVERYTHING is getting cleaned up!

It usually helps to start the thread at the beginning of a build, so we can actually watch it step by step being built!

And as for the OCD. I think you'll find you have that in common with most of us on here. I personally can't put a dirty or rusty part back on any car ever! If I had a dollar for every hour I've spent sitting at the bench grinder/wire wheel, I would be rich.

 

[MN CJ7]

a few short quotes from web.

Lead in Plastic Cable and Wire
"Some employees in the manufacturing of polyvinyl chloride-based plastics work with lead-containing stabilizers, including dibasic lead phthalate, lead chlorosilicate, and basic lead carbonates, all of which can produce dust when agitated. Lead stabilizers account for approximately 60 % of all stabilizer consumption and are used especially in plastic compounds requiring heat stability and tensile strength, as in electrical insulation. Cable and wire manufacturing and splicing of cables, are other examples in which there is risk for occupational lead exposure, although the replacement of powdered stabilizers with pellet-formed stabilizers has been beneficial in reducing this risk for cable manufacturing workers." (p, 975, Occupational and Environmental Exposure to Lead, Alf Fischbein in Rom)
Lead in Paint for Construction

"The use of red lead as a protective agent for ships, bridges, railways, and various other iron and steel structures is essential even today and of great economic significance." (p. 975, Occupational and Environmental Exposure to Lead, Alf Fischbein in Rom)
Lead in Residential Paint and Plumbing

About 90% of pre-1940 homes and 60% of pre-1978 homes contain lead-based paints. In 1977 the Consumer Product Safety Commission banned "lead containing paint" prohibiting the use of such paint on products to which consumers are exposed after sale (42 FR 44199). In 1986 the Environmental Protection Agency banned the further use of lead pipes and solder in residential plumbing. (Coluccio VM. Lead-Based Paint Hazards. Wiley, John & Sons; 1997, p. 8-15) See Drinking Water Quality and Health.
Lead in Mineral Wool Insulation

"Mineral wool insulation manufactured before 1970 has been found to have lead particles. According to industry sources, lead slag is no longer used in the manufacture of mineral wool, although lead can be present as a trace impurity." ("Controlling Lead Exposures in the Construction Industry" Go to this OSHA site and do an "edit/find" for "mineral wool" from your browser's menu.)

Lead in Glass and Ceramics
Q. Does glass or crystal ware contain lead?
A. Ordinary glassware does not contain lead, but lead is used to make the more expensive lead crystal. People who have lead crystal items should take the following precautions:

1. Do not store liquids in lead crystal glasses or bottles.
2. Do not drink from lead crystal on a daily basis, especially if you are pregnant.
3. Do not feed an infant or child from a lead crystal baby bottle or cup.

Q. Do dishes or ceramic ware contain lead?
A. Since 1980, FDA has had limits on lead and cadmium in ceramic ware products. The limits were lowered in 1991 to reduce consumer exposure to lead in food from ceramic dishes that may have lead glazes. Most ceramic ware items sold in the United States meet current FDA limits because manufactures tightly control the way they make dishes to minimize the potential for lead to leach into food.
To avoid possible exposure to lead from ceramics and other tableware, consumers should take the following precautions:

1. Do not store food in any dishes that may contain lead.
2. Do not store food in antiques or collectibles
3. Be wary of using or of storing food or beverages in highly decorated or metallic-coated tableware, particularly items made in other countries or by amateurs and hobbyists.
4. Pregnant women should limit their use of lead-glazed mugs or cups for hot beverages, since lead is harmful to fetuses.

(To read the full statement from the National Safety Council, go to http://www2.nsc.org/issues/lead/leadindishes.htm.)



Raised in New England USA and Live in the ice box of MN, hit 30 below this winter in temp, not wind chill, travel as a SALES ENGINEER for the 80s, 90, 2000s so three full decades.....

Have never seen my wire harness in any vehicle soaked with winter salt spray. I mean talk about flinging the stuff around.... man.

We make and test anything electronic with salt spray, elevated & cycle temps, humidity, vibration, and sock.

Cleaning the harness, removal of some connectors will take 20min x2 soak and all of 30 min scrub and hot rinse. If that is too hard to do then why remove the harness.


Can lead the horse but he many not drink

Fred


I wonder why the electronic anything cannot be put in the trash. I bet the govt thinks its going to melt into the soil on that hot summer day. What a theory... It is illegal to put any PCB in the garbage and its not because they think it going to melt or be too hot.

 

[Rescue Diver]

Raised in New England USA and Live in the ice box of MN, hit 30 below this winter in temp, not wind chill, travel as a SALES ENGINEER for the 80s, 90, 2000s so three full decades.....

Have never seen my wire harness in any vehicle soaked with winter salt spray. I mean talk about flinging the stuff around.... man.

Cleaning the harness, removal of some connectors will take 20min x2 soak and all of 30 min scrub and hot rinse. If that is too hard to do then why remove the harness.


Can lead the horse but he many not drink

Fred

Fred,

I promised myself that I wasn't going to respond to any of ~ XXXXXXX.....

I live in Missouri. We get a moderate amount of snow. During the winter months they coat our streets and highways with salt and other corrosive chemicals to melt the ice and snow. That stuff mixes with the snow to create slush. Perhaps you've heard of it? Anyway, all the wires under our vehicles for lights, starters, fuel pumps on fuel injected vehicles, and the wire to your fuel sender are soaked in this salty slush frequently, and it some times doesn't get thouroughly washed off for months. I would think this would be much harder on them than a half hour in the dish washer. These wires I mentioned do not instantly corrode apart or stop working. It takes many years for them to start showing signs of wear. I soaked my wires and fuse box in degreaser and water from the hose for more than an hour while scrubbing them. I would think this would be just as harmfull as running them through a dish washer cycle, and yet, my wires and fuse box show absolutely no sign of corrsion.~ XXXXX ~ And I'll say it again, EVERYONE on this forum including you has something to teach others, and every one of us including you has things we could learn from others. If you'd come on here saying you or someone you personally know had used the dish washer on a harness and it caused it harm, then I would put more weight into your theory.

Sorry for the thread jack Chodette.

Edited out personal attacks. -CJ

 

[phyrph0enix]

I would be concerned about the capillary effect. You may have minute amounts of water harbouring in your wire insulation. However, if you're in a warm climate now, I doubt it will become an issue. I live in Boston- so if I were putting it in MY car, I'd keep a sharp eye out for swelling wires from the freezing water expanding.

As for your dishwasher, Simple Green is an Eco-friendly (albeit terrible/overpoweringly smelling) degreasing product. It takes paint off most anything but is gentile enough to soak plastic or electric parts in (ex: taillight housings). I'd run it though an empty dishwasher before resuming use as normal. Also, check the filter at the bottom of the unit for debris like sand or errant tape. If too much tape clogs the drain you'll end up flooding your kitchen.

 

[Rescue Diver]

I would be concerned about the capillary effect. You may have minute amounts of water harbouring in your wire insulation. However, if you're in a warm climate now, I doubt it will become an issue. I live in Boston- so if I were putting it in MY car, I'd keep a sharp eye out for swelling wires from the freezing water expanding.

As for your dishwasher, Simple Green is an Eco-friendly (albeit terrible/overpoweringly smelling) degreasing product. It takes paint off most anything but is gentile enough to soak plastic or electric parts in (ex: taillight housings). I'd run it though an empty dishwasher before resuming use as normal. Also, check the filter at the bottom of the unit for debris like sand or errant tape. If too much tape clogs the drain you'll end up flooding your kitchen.

Good points!

 

[chodette]

Wow! I seem to have struck a nerve. Sorry, that wasn't my intent. And for the record, nothing came off in the dishwasher...I checked, and I ran dishwasher cleaner thru it after I was done. There wasn't even any residue visable when it was done. And, I do live in a warm climate and I have kept it inside since drying it out yesterday. I think it will be okay. doesn't seem to have any moisture left anywhere.

 

[Rescue Diver]

Wow! I seem to have struck a nerve. Sorry, that wasn't my intent. And for the record, nothing came off in the dishwasher...I checked, and I ran dishwasher cleaner thru it after I was done. There wasn't even any residue visable when it was done. And, I do live in a warm climate and I have kept it inside since drying it out yesterday. I think it will be okay. doesn't seem to have any moisture left anywhere.

It's nothing you did. There were just a few issues that unfortunatly resurfaced in your thread. We're all going to make a greater effort to keep things civil.

As far as your wiring. I'm sure it'll take a few days in your climate for all the water that may remain in your wires to evaporate, but they'll be fine.

Keep the pics of your project coming, and start a build thread so we can all watch as it comes together!

 

[Cheepjeep85]

its not you. things were brought into your thread that shouldn't have been. they are done with now. at any rate, its your wire harness, your dishwasher, and everyone else's opinions. they are just that, opinions and you probably know the old saying about em. in my op you are doing a great job, keep up the good work.

 

[MN CJ7]

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REALITY

Fred,

I promised myself that I wasn't going to respond to any of ~ XXXXXXX.....

I live in Missouri. We get a moderate amount of snow. During the winter months they coat our streets and highways with salt and other corrosive chemicals to melt the ice and snow. That stuff mixes with the snow to create slush. Perhaps you've heard of it? Anyway, all the wires under our vehicles for lights, starters, fuel pumps on fuel injected vehicles, and the wire to your fuel sender are soaked in this salty slush frequently, and it some times doesn't get thouroughly washed off for months. I would think this would be much harder on them than a half hour in the dish washer. These wires I mentioned do not instantly corrode apart or stop working. It takes many years for them to start showing signs of wear. I soaked my wires and fuse box in degreaser and water from the hose for more than an hour while scrubbing them. I would think this would be just as harmfull as running them through a dish washer cycle, and yet, my wires and fuse box show absolutely no sign of corrsion.~ XXXXX ~ And I'll say it again, EVERYONE on this forum including you has something to teach others, and every one of us including you has things we could learn from others. If you'd come on here saying you or someone you personally know had used the dish washer on a harness and it caused it harm, then I would put more weight into your theory.

Sorry for the thread jack Chodette.

Rescue,


XXXXX ~

The PM does not mention 4.0 head
nor the second comment
If so why did you not post them
So lets post them and let the forum read them all

No we won't PM's. PM's are private messages and will not be made public. They can be forward to me or reported. --CJ

Well dude....
Let the forum read your ~ XXXX.

Further.....
I lived in St. Louis MO TOO... Sales Enginee for AMP calling on McDonnel Douglas Aircraft and Emerson Electronics & Space. Two customers several million in sales/yr for connectors and wire harness producton equipment. I worked on the design, production equipment, wire harness production, printed circuite board packaging, design, production. Products F15 AirForce, F18 Navy, AV8B Marines, and missles, fiber guided munitions, test, satalites and more. I worked with design engineer, mfg engineers and trained their line workers on production the correct way.

I was their only AMP contact local. I was also rated top ten Sales Engineer twice.

I can teach Air Craft builder how to build a wire harness but cannot help here on the internet..... Man you picked the wrong battle and wrong subject.

So yes, I know st louis and I know wire harness needs. I gave a few examples the other day and you seem to keep missing or over reading things.

May I suggest you clean your weight belt in the dish washer it will come out bright and shinny.... will attact more fish. Can be stored on the dinning room table to remind you off all the fun underwater. Fondle it often while you eat and you and the misses can dream about the last time you were on coral reef. Do not forget to let junior have some fun and dream along too. Maybe in a few years he will be so brain dead he will think he is on the beach 100% of the time.....
ow the joyes of LEAD POISIONING.

ANY one or situation that mixes industrial contamination with your food, food prep & cooking, cleaning and pots/pans, kitchen sink, and your food prep and eating surfaces is a roll of the dice. Just too many chemicals, leads, heavy metals to take that risk..... WHY DO IT

Because Rescue, Cheepjeep or pics on the internet say its ok. Think about it you only get one shot a living. ESP from guys that have such a poor reading level.

Just for fun.....



PM's Removed -CJ

 

[CJ]

Thread permanently closed.

Sorry that a few individuals ruined this thread chodette. Apparently egos run pretty high around here and internet type speak is a difficult thing to convey.

chodette - feel free to start a new thread if you like.

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