was reading thru this and ya might do like i did this w/end.
i was getting frustrated with the stock duraspark,so it is now sittin in the trash can.
i put in a replacement h.e.i. that i found a link to thru here and super simple install.
one wire to run it and i got to loose about a half dozen wires plus a seperate coil and a module from under the hood
here is the one i bought, seems to work perfect and there customer service was top notch as i just called them on there phone number and ordered w/out usin the e-bay auction stuff.
AMC JEEP 232 258 4.0 4.2 6 CYL HEI DISTRIBUTOR 6511-R - eBay (item 370450516434 end time Jan-14-11 04:46:51 PST)
the quality looks to be top notch on the distributor i received also.
this might be another option for ya.
HEI use in the AMC Jeep Engines is a TIME BOMB waiting to happen.
would not use a HEI modual it it was given to me.
would not touch a engine that has a hei unless it was a MSD or DUI.
This forum seems for to eager to recommend the HEI especialy the ebay junk.
Scared??? you should be
JeepHammer, a fellow jeeper & friend has taught me a great deal about the jeep ignition options and I can run with the best of them. I can already tell this is going to be a major pissing point with lots of
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to fly around. I have talked with JeepHammer and will be adding more to the tech area and pretty sure we will cover this this topic in detail.
There is very little reason to repace the Jeep DuraSpark Distributor in a 1970s to 1981 (no calf) unit. It has the proper advance curve for our little low reving crawlers that are often under load. The advance curve in in the 1978, 79, 80 Jeep Field Service Manuals and its different for the I6, V8 and the CJ & full size jeeps for each of these engines. Take the time to plot your advance curve and pretty sure you will have 45-55 deg of total advance that will rattle your little AMC engine. The curve comes in way tooooo fast. Normal total advance would be in the 33 to 38 deg of advance total for us. If readers do not fully understand this paragraph and know how to plot and change their advance curve do not touch a HEI esp the ebay cheapos.
I have yet to see on this forum the correct process for putting the engine at TDC and inserting the distributor. Just because it put in the same spot it was... does not mean its correct. How many readers have a #1 pos on the cap on the wrong side to make your engine work or run????
The durspark distributor is full adjustable... it has two mech limit slots of 13 & 18 deg... OEM is set at 13 and you can get better pep and mileage if you change to 18 deg and have a healthy engine. There is a process for this and if not done correctly there will be issues. The vaccum advance is fully adjustable when it comes in at what engine vaccuum level. My distributor is 33 years old and is still working perfectly... and everyones jeep ran like mine no one would be asking for help here. I had 4 new ones in the 1970s and this runs just as well and its 33 yrs old.
Partial list of HEI issues:
Hardened Gears... several years ago there was a need for amc gears and the market got flooded with hardned gears. This can flood your engine with hardened metal. This is true on the I6 and V8... at least on the V8 you can replace just the gear. On the I6 the gear is part of the cam shaft so you will need a new cam shaft... that means lifters too... they get changed together. Thats ahead removal the whole bit.
So the guys that say this is a one wire change. How about the proper distributor insertion. Verify the proper advance curve. It is adjustable curve but much more difficult than the duraspark. so its realy not simple. By the way distributor insertion you need a helper to hand rotate the engine and you need a tool to verify where the #1 cylinder is and all plugs come out too... plus the process.
HEI Gears have been cut wrong and will destroy cam gears
HEI Shaft on HEIs have been known to be tooo long and need to be custom fit.
HEI activates on a much lower vacuum signal and the GM has a lower vacuum too. The AMC engines were designed with a higher vacuum signal and pull in the HEI vaccum advance too quicly. Hard starts, too much advance and guys that need to disconnect the vac advance hose because it will not run with it because it has toooooo much advance. There is a std can that can retard the AMC vacuum but why bother use the duraspark
HEI Excessive length of shafts can bind the oil pumps, no oil pres, engine failure
HEI Shafts have broken and the mtd collars too... quality has been suspect
HEI has several shaft diameters so it is not a simple change gear
HEI most have alumium terminal... junk to start with and cheap
HEI is know to ark out to the metal weights & body of distributor
HEI is not a upgrade to the Duraspark is less of a ignition if fully uderstood. Duraspark even had a advance retard during start up.
HEI... many solutions in past, developed a remote coil so it does not ark out to ground.
The AMC Engine distributor mount is not made for the excessive weight of the HEI / internal coil combo and has caused failures.
Even the DUI had a few cases of hardened gears and failres on other forums.
QUALITY HEI's from DUI or MSD are in the $250 to $350 range... so why not just get the MSD its $
AMC 150
BOTTOM LINE>.....
Fix the weak links of the Duraspark with a few grounds and teamrush tune up parts with brass termials and premium plug wires. Proper set up it will last forever. My modual is still the 33 yr old one.
MSD Option
For
AMC 150 $ a MSD multispark ignition with 3 full energy sparks up to about 3000 rpms with the proper voltage and amperage. Up voltage aperage goes down. So saying 55,000 vots is not always a good thing on the HEI is the spark energy/amperage is so short you do not get the fire lit completely. You buy this once and done.... get that ... install it and take it with you when you sell the jeep. Put in a duraspark, use the old one, or use the HEI ignition module and keep.
Simple.. the MSD comes with all the wires and even has a $10 adapter so you can mate to the stock distributor. So what is easier... a connector swap or a proper distributor insertion.
All I can tell you I had a pretty good running engine and I installed a MSD. Mileage jumped 4-5 mpg and needed to adj my carb and time. I can get 23/24 mpg and never hear my engine rattle
For the guys that need a duraspark
Cardone has rebuilt units at the auto stores with lifetime warrnaty for $50 and you can get them anywhere.
If you have and use a Jeep Service Location they will know the Jeep OEM stuff.
I have about 70 jeepers that have lost their cam gear from use of HEI distributor. Others have has oil pump bound up problems with major engine failures. So I guess we all have a choice. I do not have $1500 or 2000 to rebuild my engine to rebuild a engine because I was too lazy to install a MSD with a -+ voltage, two wires to coil, and a mate to the distributor connector. AND the stock suff is a back up.
That my rant... buyer beware.
Fred
PS
I fixed about 10 jeeps at my home last summer, this summer bet the # double that amount. In general getting about 25-30% better performance.
The 80 computer JEEPs have a few limitation in the properties of the Distributor. If you take out the computer and add after market carb. ..... you need to understand the short commings and correct them. You cj will run much better once these are done. Most computer vintage jeeps w/o the computer have 3 deg of mech advance. Think what that does to you advance curve.