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Build Thread Look What I Just Bought (Willys)

Build Thread Look What I Just Bought (Willys)
Thanks, I think we might have found the engine info:

Looks like a '61-'63 Pontiac Engine.

HowStuffWorks "The Pontiac Tempest and the Four-Cylinder Engine"

From Wiki:

195 [edit]
Perhaps the most unusual variation of the durable Pontiac V8 was not a V8 at all, but an inline four. Nicknamed the "INDY 4", created for the 1961 Pontiac Tempest, it was essentially the right bank of the 389, sharing most of its tooling and many of its parts (more than 120 were identical). The bore and stroke of 4 1⁄16 in (103.2 mm) and 3 3⁄4 in (95.2 mm) were the same, giving a displacement of 195.5 cu in (3.204 L). This degree of commonality enabled it to be produced on the same lines as the V8, allowing substantial cost savings. A drawback was that the 195 weighed much more than a purpose-designed engine: at about 540 pounds (240 kg), it was not substantially lighter than the 389.
The 195 produced 110 hp (82 kW) (gross) at 3800 rpm and 190 lb·ft (260 N·m) at 2000 rpm with a single-barrel carburetor, or 155 hp (116 kW) @ 4800 and 215 lb·ft (292 N·m) @ 2800 rpm with the optional four-barrel carburetor. For 1962 a "power pack" option increased rated power to 166 hp (124 kW).
The Achilles heel of the 195 was engine shake. An inline four-cylinder engine produces unbalanced "couple," shaking in the vertical plane, and modern engineers consider the installation of twin counter-rotating balance shafts necessary for engines much larger than 122 cui (2.0 L). The V8-based design of the 195 had no such balance shafts, and costs prohibited adding them. The 195 was instead cushioned by flexible rubber engine mounts designed to isolate the engine from the rest of the car, and its forces were further dampened by the Tempest's unusual driveshaft. However, if the engine was out of tune or if a spark plug became fouled, the shaking overwhelmed the dampening of the mounts. A special high-strength timing chain was developed especially for the Tempest 4, since a standard chain would stretch and break rather easily from the inherent vibration in this engine design. The timing chain in the 195 was the same as the 389 initially; the upgraded Tempest chain also works on the V8 engines as a high strength upgrade. As an aside, former Pontiac engineer Malcolm McKellar joked in an interview with Collectible Automobile magazine that he and his fellow engineers sometimes called the four-cylinder Tempest "a traveling fatigue machine."
The 195 was dropped after the 1963 model year

Pontiac V8 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
But not sure what this is/the two bolts off the intake behind the starter.

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Here is the exhaust side:
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:)That's cool a 4 cylinder..............I looked at that single cylinder head in your pictures and just the other head was off.......lots of interesting pieces on that Jeep.

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I guess some were right after all.

OK the grill should be 10.25" from the front bumper from what I am told. Here are the results. So it seems the frame is not correct. Now what?

From front edge of bumper:
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If it was measured from frame:
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16" from bumper
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Rear of frame sticking past tub:
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:)Looks like the front frame rails were extended or does it have a shorter spring?...............on most Jeep frames the front spring hanger is at the forward end of the frame rail right behind the bumper.

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Maybe the PO was trying to do something ??

Guess I'll start from scratch and set the drivetrain and the set body to fit that/go from there.

It will work out.
 
Maybe the PO was trying to do something ??

Guess I'll start from scratch and set the drivetrain and the set body to fit that/go from there.

It will work out.

:)It depends on what your building.........some folks would like to have a longer wheelbase............I would definitely take a tape measure and see what the wheelbase currently is and also measure the spring lengths.

:D:D:D:D
 
Good idea. I'll have to do that. I don't want to stretch it, would like to keep the look at least. :rolleyes: :)
 
Measured the Wheelbase = 80"

Front spring length, bolt to bolt = 36"

Rear spring length, bolt to bolt = 46"

Spring width = 1 3/4"

Frame length from front frame end to rear frame end = 128.5

Frame width, front = 29"

Frame width, rear = 29.5

So, what frame is this ?

Thanks,
Jim
 
Called Novak to see if I could find an adapter for the T-98 to Slant 4. Here is their reply.

I have a '61 - '63 Pontiac slant 4cyl (half of a 389) that I need to mate to a T-98 Jeep Transmission .
Here is a picture of the front of my T-98 (not sure what the silver thing is?

Link to picture:
S T R E E T 2 M U D :: Willys Jeep :: Jeep_Willys_50

Thanks again,
JB

Hi JB,

Good question. Do you know what the bolt pattern of the engine block to bellhousing is? Or, even better, do you know if this bellhousing has the Muncie / Saginaw four-bolt pattern on the back? If you are not sure, send a picture and I can tell you.

As to the T-98 , maybe. It has a long input shaft which may make adapting and other issues difficult, but it may be possible. How long is the input shaft from the front face of the Transmission ?

Eric at Novak
435.753.2513 x20


So I sent them the T-98 Output Shaft Measurements.

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:)Well the good news is Eric @ Novak knows his stuff and from the looks of those pictures it seems to already have the shorter input shaft in there. .........its obvious that someone already did some work to build that candlestick for the throwout bearing........I believe there is still a short adaptor that needs to go between the Bell Housing and the tranny.......so maybe the pieces are out there or can be built...............common problem using the Jeep Borg Warner T-18 / T-98 version in anything but what it was made for..........the Ford version of the T-18 is a lot easier to modify and get parts for.

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So that is the throwout bearing ?

Cool. I want to find a new one but :eek:

Thanks for all the help,
Jim
 
So that is the throwout bearing ?

Cool. I want to find a new one but :eek:

Thanks for all the help,
Jim

:)Yep that is , but it's on that shaft backwards right now in the picture.

Keep working with Eric.........he is a good guy and will help you sort out what you have.

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Thanks,

Well everyone, that exhaust port on the opposite side of the main exhaust manifold is a heat riser.

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Bob wrote:

1962 Pontiac Tempest LeMans Convertible | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

A small exhaust pipe connected the bottom of the intake manifold to the exhaust header in order to heat the intake. Pontiac V8 engines have ports through the heads from the center exhaust ports to the intake manifold mating surface. The intake manifold has a passage that lets exhaust gasses flow through the manifold between the heads. Since the 4 cyl engine doesn't have the second head, the heat riser pipe does the job.
 
Found out only 3300 were made of that 4bbl engine. Going up for sale. Getting something that will work easier.
 
OK, I checked on the Dauntless Buick 225 V6 and it has a tick and a knock.

PO pulled it out and swapped in a new motor.

He wants to sell it for $200.00 but not sure what all needs to be done to it or how much it will cost to rebuild.

With that said, does anyone have a recommendation on a power plant that will mate (w/ease, using an adapter) with the T-98 ?

Thanks,
Jim
 
OK, I checked on the Dauntless Buick 225 V6 and it has a tick and a knock.

PO pulled it out and swapped in a new motor.

He wants to sell it for $200.00 but not sure what all needs to be done to it or how much it will cost to rebuild.

With that said, does anyone have a recommendation on a power plant that will mate (w/ease, using an adapter) with the T-98 ?

Thanks,
Jim


:)Lets face it anything can be mated to anything if money is no object.....but the reality is again you need to talk with Eric at Novak. It will start with how long your input shaft is sticking out ...........Chevy V8's and Chevy 4.3 V-6 and the Buick 225 or 231 V6 are also good options........just got to figure out what parts / adaptors are needed and are they available?

Or engage yourself with a machinist and build the stuff yourself........ that candlestick that's shown in your pictures is someones initial attempt to solve that long input shaft problem...........Borg Warner did make various long candlesticks for various Jeep applications........ talk to the PO and see what else he may have from that conversion process.

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