more help fellas......

[bearsden]

Here is what he is talking about:
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Look at the top of the coil. The connector is like a cap. Rod

exactly ! how do you post pics on here ?

 

[Hedgehog]

Never tried to tak the cap or top off a coil, didn't know you could. So, I was thinking distributor cap. Sounds like the coil top was loose so he replaced it with a new one. If that's the case, good move.

The engine runnning at all on the exhaust stroke seems impossible to me, but then again I do believe the poster that said he made that mistake and the engine ran, it ran horribly, but it ran.

What have you got to lose, start over again, find TDC, point the rotor, do the spark plug wire thing, give it a chance to start. Wouldn't it be great if it fires right up.

 

[Peanut Butter]

To post a picture, click on the paper clip icon on top of the message box. Brouse for the picture or pictures you want to upload, then click on upload on the right....and wait. They come out as a thumbnail, but you can click on them to mak them bigger. How you put a full size picture in....I don't know. Rod

 

[Peanut Butter]

Never tried to tak the cap or top off a coil, didn't know you could. So, I was thinking distributor cap. Sounds like the coil top was loose so he replaced it with a new one. If that's the case, good move.

The engine runnning at all on the exhaust stroke seems impossible to me, but then again I do believe the poster that said he made that mistake and the engine ran, it ran horribly, but it ran.

What have you got to lose, start over again, find TDC, point the rotor, do the spark plug wire thing, give it a chance to start. Wouldn't it be great if it fires right up.

Hedgehog, I wouldn't exactly call it a cap. It's more like a half circle that pushes on from the side to make the standard electrical connections to the coil. More like a large plug that goes around the top of the coil. You never open the coil up. Rod

 

[Hedgehog]

I've never heard of anybody opening a coil, there is nasty insulating stuff in there. That is what confused me. No big deal, just juggling words on the internet which is notorious for this sort of confusion. I'd rather see us focus on getting the Jeep going.

 

[thescot]

Am I imagining things, or do I see only one wire coming off the coil connector? If its just a hallucination did ya try the R&R dist and turn over 180? You asked how can you tell if its on the compression stroke. There are two cases when any piston is at top dead. One is when it fires and the other when its going thru its intake/exhaust stroke. If you had the valve cover removed you can watch the rockers on the valve train move as you rotate the engine. On the compression stroke both rockers for the cylinder ready to fire will be even and unloaded with no valve spring tension. You can actually spin the push rod with your finger.
Real curious if you had any luck with the 180 degree rotation bit, let us know how its going.

 

[bearsden]

Am I imagining things, or do I see only one wire coming off the coil connector? If its just a hallucination did ya try the R&R dist and turn over 180? You asked how can you tell if its on the compression stroke. There are two cases when any piston is at top dead. One is when it fires and the other when its going thru its intake/exhaust stroke. If you had the valve cover removed you can watch the rockers on the valve train move as you rotate the engine. On the compression stroke both rockers for the cylinder ready to fire will be even and unloaded with no valve spring tension. You can actually spin the push rod with your finger.
Real curious if you had any luck with the 180 degree rotation bit, let us know how its going.

I couldnt work on it last night....wife had other plansbut i just started so i'll let you know.I lined everything upTDC on my harmonic balancer,and pulled the dizzy,spun it around 180 and I am getting ready to put the dizzy back in.does the rotor need to be on the #1???

 

[tarry99]

I couldnt work on it last night....wife had other plansbut i just started so i'll let you know.I lined everything upTDC on my harmonic balancer,and pulled the dizzy,spun it around 180 and I am getting ready to put the dizzy back in.does the rotor need to be on the #1???

Yes it needs to point to #1 if you have it in the correct position on the front cover marks.......As mentioned above there are two sequences on a 4 stroke motor whereby the front timing marks will be at ZERO.....once at TDC on the firing stroke and then 360 degrees later at Zero on the exhaust stroke....... Watch the valve action at the rocker arms while rotating, At TDC on the firing stroke both valves should be closed and at lash.........or another way to get there is watch the INTAKE rocker.......when it opens and close's just the intake side only the next time to Zero will be the firing stroke.........normally happening 5-10 degrees before TDC............Once the motor is in the proper position pull the cap and see where the rotor points. If it points to a position other than #1 you must either re-wire the cap to the correct position's or pull the distributor and drop it back into the correct position.

 

[bearsden]

Yes it needs to point to #1 if you have it in the correct position on the front cover marks.......As mentioned above there are two sequences on a 4 stroke motor whereby the front timing marks will be at ZERO.....once at TDC on the firing stroke and then 360 degrees later at Zero on the exhaust stroke....... Watch the valve action at the rocker arms while rotating, At TDC on the firing stroke both valves should be closed and at lash.........or another way to get there is watch the INTAKE rocker.......when it opens and close's just the intake side only the next time to Zero will be the firing stroke.........normally happening 5-10 degrees before TDC............Once the motor is in the proper position pull the cap and see where the rotor points. If it points to a position other than #1 you must either re-wire the cap to the correct position's or pull the distributor and drop it back into the correct position

I did what you all said and she fired right up!!!!!!I've been working on this thing since march or april and I can't tell you how happy I m right now!!! thank you and if i can remember everyone,thescot!(you were dead on!) hedge hog,peanut butter,old dog,torxhead,hdgapeach,thanks for taking the time.If you all were here there would be steaks,beers and jeeps!! Just have to check for leaks and small stuff now(hopefully) and then go wheeling!!! thanks again !!!!!!!

 

[Hedgehog]

I am so happy .... I'm even smiling .... I even learned something, imagine a motor attempting to run at all being 180 (really 360 on a 4 stroke) out. It started right up. With electrical issues like this that seems to be the norm. Look and look and look nothing, move a wire or turn an adjustment the right way and bang she's running like nothing happened at all. Doing a little dance is usually the next move. Common admit it, you did a little dance .....

 

[bearsden]

I am so happy .... I'm even smiling .... I even learned something, imagine a motor attempting to run at all being 180 (really 360 on a 4 stroke) out. It started right up. With electrical issues like this that seems to be the norm. Look and look and look nothing, move a wire or turn an adjustment the right way and bang she's running like nothing happened at all. Doing a little dance is usually the next move. Common admit it, you did a little dance .....

I did do the dance!!!!!fists in the air,who's #1,and the darn thing started to get hot...#*#@$%$#me! but it ran!That meant more to me than anything!...So now i need to figure that out.I replaced the water pump t stat,hoses.I know withe the way my belts going it turns my pump ccw.but it didnt seem like i was getting flow.It like heats up in a few minutes! but no flow in the radiator.It appears to just be sitting there.So i think vapor lock and unscrew the temp sensor on the manifold in hopes of bleading the air out.no such thing.So once again.....any help is appreciated!!!! Chapter 2.My wife thinks i'm going freak nuts,but I told her if I had to choose one or the other.....Chapter 3

 

[Hedgehog]

Take the thermostat out, not for good, just to see if the water moves properly. Without the thermostat water should start moving immediately.

When it's cold, take the top hose off and pour some water in. Since the bottom hose is lower than the top of the radiator the pump should be full though.

 

[thescot]

well good news At this point in my wrenching life Im thrilled to be able to help out. Pretty frustrating doing this over the net and not being able to get hands on I must admit.
Cooling...Its not uncommon to got lots of air trapped in the cooling system if its just been filled. This will cause some weird problems. The other things that are pretty easy to over look is installing a thermostat backwards. The copper pellet lookin end goes into the head or down into the manifold if its a V type engine.
Unfortunately there is one more that the PO of mine ran into when he replaced the water pump before I picked up my CJ. I cant recall what year your is and when they went to a serpintine belt in the CJ but apparently both water pumps look the with the exception of the impeller. One is meant to rotate CW and the other CCW. He told me the AP store guy screwed up on the pump he bought and he was going nuts trying to figure out why it kept heating up.
If you end up pulling the pump to look pay attention to the way it will spin on the motor. Look at the impeller and you'll see the blades of the impeller will be tilted from the center. Essentially the impeller needs to throw the coolant away from the center which pushed it away and thru the system. If its the wrong one it will look more like its scooping the water and directing it to the center of the pump shaft.
Were all pulling for you to get that first run around the block so keep us posted.

 

[hdgapeach]

After you verify the rotation direction of the pump itself, another little trick I've always done is drill the smallest of holes in the body of the thermostat with a wire size drill bit. This will allow the air trapped in the block to bleed up and out past the thermostat as you fill the radiator. Also prevents the thermostat from getting air blocked which requires you to pour water on top via the upper hose. A thermostat not surrounded in liquid will never heat up enough to open and allow circulation.

 

[bearsden]

well good news At this point in my wrenching life Im thrilled to be able to help out. Pretty frustrating doing this over the net and not being able to get hands on I must admit.
Cooling...Its not uncommon to got lots of air trapped in the cooling system if its just been filled. This will cause some weird problems. The other things that are pretty easy to over look is installing a thermostat backwards. The copper pellet lookin end goes into the head or down into the manifold if its a V type engine.
Unfortunately there is one more that the PO of mine ran into when he replaced the water pump before I picked up my CJ. I cant recall what year your is and when they went to a serpintine belt in the CJ but apparently both water pumps look the with the exception of the impeller. One is meant to rotate CW and the other CCW. He told me the AP store guy screwed up on the pump he bought and he was going nuts trying to figure out why it kept heating up.
If you end up pulling the pump to look pay attention to the way it will spin on the motor. Look at the impeller and you'll see the blades of the impeller will be tilted from the center. Essentially the impeller needs to throw the coolant away from the center which pushed it away and thru the system. If its the wrong one it will look more like its scooping the water and directing it to the center of the pump shaft.
Were all pulling for you to get that first run around the block so keep us posted.

ok,with the serpentine belt,its turning my pump ccw,the pump i bought is a CCW pump.Is that right? If i take the hose off coming out of the pump and fire it up fluid should gush out of there.Or is that stupid.I would rather not take it all apart if I don't have to...although i got it down now. And i did drill the hole in the thermostat,but it does seem like the fluid is just sitting in there.your right thescot,that first ride will be awesome...hopefully soon !!!!!!!!

 

[bearsden]

After you verify the rotation direction of the pump itself, another little trick I've always done is drill the smallest of holes in the body of the thermostat with a wire size drill bit. This will allow the air trapped in the block to bleed up and out past the thermostat as you fill the radiator. Also prevents the thermostat from getting air blocked which requires you to pour water on top via the upper hose. A thermostat not surrounded in liquid will never heat up enough to open and allow circulation.

I took the small hose off of the heater core thats attached directly to the water pump and srarted it up.I got no flow off the water pump out of that hose...I suppose i got the wrong pump installed????

 

[Hedgehog]

Well, at least the water pump is a relatively easy thing to work on. You might not feel like it, but your getting closer every time a nut is turned. Once again in this thread I've learned something new. I did not know the serpentine belt system rotates the water pump in the opposite direction from the older system.

 

[thescot]

A normal V belt driven pump turns clockwise if your standing in front of the radiator looking at it. It is possible you have air locked the pump. Try burping the hoses with no cap and when cold and see if the coolant drops like air is getting purged out.

 

[tarry99]

I did what you all said and she fired right up!!!!!!I've been working on this thing since march or april and I can't tell you how happy I m right now!!! thank you and if i can remember everyone,thescot!(you were dead on!) hedge hog,peanut butter,old dog,torxhead,hdgapeach,thanks for taking the time.If you all were here there would be steaks,beers and jeeps!! Just have to check for leaks and small stuff now(hopefully) and then go wheeling!!! thanks again !!!!!!!

Glad to hear you got it running...........

 

[bearsden]

Well, at least the water pump is a relatively easy thing to work on. You might not feel like it, but your getting closer every time a nut is turned. Once again in this thread I've learned something new. I did not know the serpentine belt system rotates the water pump in the opposite direction from the older system.[/QUOTE
It is an odd thing,I'm just a little confused on the impeller and which way it is suppose to be going.The impeller looks like a pinwheel.And the way it was explained in an earlier post the impeller is suppose to push the fluid away from the inside out instead of "scooping" it like i thought.So i called and got a pump coming and will try to switch that out tonight.your right hedgehog,so darn close !!!!!!!!!!!!thanks !