more help fellas......

[bearsden]

A normal V belt driven pump turns clockwise if your standing in front of the radiator looking at it. It is possible you have air locked the pump. Try burping the hoses with no cap and when cold and see if the coolant drops like air is getting purged out.

I'm pretty sure i got the wrong pump in there.Because once again like you said in an earlier post the pump should not scoop the water.And right now the way my impeller is going,it's scooping. So tonight I'll be all over that if the pump gets here!!!!!
thanks again for all your help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bearsden]

okay got the new water pump taken out and this is what i got,I have serpentine belt that goes over water pump and spins it ccw.The pump i have has the impeller "points" facing CCW as wellWhich would tell me its not pushing the water away just stabbing at it.Did I get the wrong pump? Thanks again guys!!!

 

[Hedgehog]

Does it look like the other one?

 

[bearsden]

Does it look like the other one?

well hedgehog thats a great question,unfortunately I don't have it anymore.Big mistake,I know,it will never happen again.It physically looked the same and i tossed it before I knew there were two different ones.....I'm learning the hard way...

 

[Hedgehog]

I know it's easier to say than do, god knows I've been there, but slow down just a little bit. Engage the grey matter before doing anything to rash........ Golly I'm sorry for that, couldn't help it....................

 

[thescot]

From what I understand Calif only CJ's used the serpentine starting in 81. I cannot recall the external configuration from say a 78 CJ to a later CCW pump. Perhaps the AP store you got the new one from has a early AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l pump in stock you can compare the internals in yours with.

 

[bearsden]

From what I understand Calif only CJ's used the serpentine starting in 81. I cannot recall the external configuration from say a 78 CJ to a later CCW pump. Perhaps the AP store you got the new one from has a early AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l pump in stock you can compare the internals in yours with.

I bought the jeep in Arizona and it is an original Arizona/west coast jeep.When i ordered the first pump they didn't ask me if I had a v belt or serpentine. They just gave me one it looked the same and i put it in..bad luck I guess but a great learning experience.The one I have coming in today is different and cast iron ,not aluminum and the impeller "points" go to the right as you face the motor.I would call that CCW.So tonight could be my lucky night.Bow season starts up here in Iowa the end of October and I would love to take it out hunting with me !!!!

 

[thescot]

Keep us posted and get wrenchin Gotta know how this turns out. Keep in mind you will get air in the system upon refill. From my experianceif you pour fast into the radiator to the point of having to stop to let it settle then add more, repeat,repeat your going to fast and your get more air entrained in the mix. Fill it slow and watch till you get up to the neck. At this point I cover the radiator hole with my hand and burp the upper hose some. It always seems to get some air out and then you can top it off. Do check it again after its run a warm up and cool cycle. Better yet add a coolant recovery tank if you don't have one. No air, no oxidation. And do NOT use deionized water, use distilled. DI waters PH is low like acid. The lack of ions means it will seek out ions in the way of your engine block and radiator to restore its self to normal PH. One finds out interesting stuff when bored at work in the lab.. Next is a Syn VS Dino oil sludge/vaporize it test in the muffle furnace

 

[bearsden]

Keep us posted and get wrenchin Gotta know how this turns out. Keep in mind you will get air in the system upon refill. From my experianceif you pour fast into the radiator to the point of having to stop to let it settle then add more, repeat,repeat your going to fast and your get more air entrained in the mix. Fill it slow and watch till you get up to the neck. At this point I cover the radiator hole with my hand and burp the upper hose some. It always seems to get some air out and then you can top it off. Do check it again after its run a warm up and cool cycle. Better yet add a coolant recovery tank if you don't have one. No air, no oxidation. And do NOT use deionized water, use distilled. DI waters PH is low like acid. The lack of ions means it will seek out ions in the way of your engine block and radiator to restore its self to normal PH. One finds out interesting stuff when bored at work in the lab.. Next is a Syn VS Dino oil sludge/vaporize it test in the muffle furnace

your killing me! I don't know what it is exactly that you do, but all I could do is just sit here,laugh,and shake my head.I was good till you started in on the ions thing! I did get the new water pump on last night and just grabbed some 50/50 premixed from autobone on my way home from work.Is that stuff okay or should i mix some up myself? I do have a coolant recovery tank and will tie up some loose ends and "hopefully" start it tonight.Can't wait.Seems like something always comes up! One more thing,my alternator sits cockeyed.I think the PO left out some bolts or spacers and I do'nt even know if he's got the right stuff in there? If you or anyone has pictures of the alt. bracket with a/c bracket on top that would be great.I know this wasn't put back together right and it squeeks like crazy on start up.I will keep you posted and i'll let you get back to the lab Dr. jeepinstien!

 

[Hedgehog]

Damn, if it aint one thing it's another, take one step at a time and eventually you'll get it all worked out.

50/50 coolant is made for radiators so it will be just fine for yours ..... after writing that I do recall that there was a coolant for aluminum radiators, but I think they are universal now. If you can stand the cost of 50/50 you won't have any problems. I was surprised to find that 50/50 costs almost as much as straight anti-freeze. 1 galoon of straight is 2 galloons mixed. The pocket book screams from me just thinking about it. Especially with what anti-freeze costs these days.

I use distilled water for my radiators, but didn't know there was a differance between real distilled water and deionized water. Your supposed to run distilled water because the hard water in some areas will leave bad deposits in your radiator.

My Jeep is running an AC unit and the altinator hangs under it in a somewhat confusing way. But I'm not sure how yours is hung. I went to Google, clicked on Images and ran several seraches centered around Jeep, my engine and altinator. Sure enough there were plenty of pictures available to help figure out my problem.

 

[bearsden]

Damn, if it aint one thing it's another, take one step at a time and eventually you'll get it all worked out.

50/50 coolant is made for radiators so it will be just fine for yours ..... after writing that I do recall that there was a coolant for aluminum radiators, but I think they are universal now. If you can stand the cost of 50/50 you won't have any problems. I was surprised to find that 50/50 costs almost as much as straight anti-freeze. 1 galoon of straight is 2 galloons mixed. The pocket book screams from me just thinking about it. Especially with what anti-freeze costs these days.

I use distilled water for my radiators, but didn't know there was a differance between real distilled water and deionized water. Your supposed to run distilled water because the hard water in some areas will leave bad deposits in your radiator.

My Jeep is running an AC unit and the altinator hangs under it in a somewhat confusing way. But I'm not sure how yours is hung. I went to Google, clicked on Images and ran several seraches centered around Jeep, my engine and altinator. Sure enough there were plenty of pictures available to help figure out my problem.

Yes,I couldn't believe what what they were getting for coolant either !! And I did look around on the internet but Didn't really see any good pictures.most were with the v belt but I'll keep looking.I'm hoping to fire the jeep up tonight providing nothing comes up! thanks for the help and I'll keep you posted on what happens tonight.CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!

 

[thescot]

Well......... any updates?

 

[bearsden]

So tonight's the night!!! the overheating problem looks to be the wrong water pump !! I got it replaced and buttoned everything up and started her up and she did great!! I took it down the gravel about a quarter mile because it was pretty late and she seemed to do fine.Tonight when I get home i will be doing some long term gravel travel and deer scouting and hope all is good !!! thanks again to everyone who helped me get this jeep rolling and this forum is the real deal. All you guys who take the time to help us new guys can't be thanked enough.I probably couldn't have afforded to do this without it taking years.Thanks again and i hope some of the things i learned i can pass onto other guys in the forum at some point!!! Can't wait to wheel tonight !!! Ill try to get some pics posted (after i get my kid to help me!) hahahahahaha

 

[Petescj]

I didnt get to chime in on this one but good luck with your trip tonite. Looking forward to the pics.

 

[Hedgehog]

Ohhhh I love it, Got'er done! excellent.