Oil pressure gauge

Oil pressure gauge

Germy

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1985 jeep cj7 360 20 rear and 30 front w/warn lockers 5 speed tranny,

1971 dodge dart built 318
Replaced sender and tried two diff jeep aftermarket reproductions. What's the deal? Anyone have this problem?
 
Is it not working at all or whats happening?

I think you forgot to describe the problem.
 
Haha! Sorry! I replaced everything and I get no reading on the gauge, no movement whatsoever. I have an auto meter gauge to try next. What could the problem be?
 
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Take the wire off the sender and ground it. Key has to be on/run.

This should peg the gauge. If it does, your gauge and the circuitry are working and the sender is not working or you have a bad connection there.

The gauge needs to have a power and a ground as well as the sender wire.

If grounding the sender wire doesn't work, I'd take a look at the back of the gauge.

Confirm that you have power with the key on and a good ground.

If you have power and ground and grounding the sender doesn't work, check continuity of the sender wire. You can do this with a volt meter or by process of elimination you could just hook a jumper wire from the back of the gauge at the sender terminal to ground. If that doesn't peg the gauge, the gauge is not working. If it does, the sender wire is "open"/has a break and needs to be repaired.
 
Do yourself a favor and buy a decent mechanical oil pressure gauge. More accurate and easy to install.

Do standard 2 1/16" gauges fit the factory cutouts?
 
I put a 2" in mine so if a 2 1/16 doesn't fit it will not take much to get it to fit.
 
I put a 2" in mine so if a 2 1/16 doesn't fit it will not take much to get it to fit.

Thanks!

a 2 1/16 fit in my 78 with no problem.

This is what I was hoping to hear, thanks!

I sat down and looked through some of the different gauges last night. I'm going to try to go with a full sweep mechanical oil pressure gauge and if I can figure out where to mount the sender I'll go with a mechanical temp. gauge as well.
 
Thanks!



This is what I was hoping to hear, thanks!

I sat down and looked through some of the different gauges last night. I'm going to try to go with a full sweep mechanical oil pressure gauge and if I can figure out where to mount the sender I'll go with a mechanical temp. gauge as well.
My mechanical gauge came with the sender I just took the old one off and screwed the new one in.
 
This is YOUR THIRD THREAD on the jeep oil gauge problem.

I gave you the answer on the last two threads. The sender/ gauge need to be matched.... NOT matched and it will not work.. LOTs of confusion on the Jeep CJ offerings at this time.... If you do not understand what was give then ask questions and I can try to help further.

Once the combo is verified.... John Strenk? over on Jeepforum has some very good CJ Gauge trouble shooting and gen info on his signage on each one of his posts.

Also IF tooooo much teflon tape was used on the sender thread when put in the engine block can cause issue.... The SENDER grounds to the block and changes resistance with pressure...TOO much teflon tape will not alloow the sender to ground to engine block. Once gounded to blocke, It / SENDER acts like a variable resistor...... and it needs ground to the block..... I used thread sealant vs the teflon tape for the pres and temp senders for this reason. Can also ck the sender is grounded to the block with a multi meter using resistance or continuity tone...
 
I went with the Auto Meter black face chrome lip for volt meter and oil pressure gauge. They match well with speedometer and as with all come with fitting to go in threaded opening for sending unit near your oil filter. Be sure to put some thread sealant on fitting. Biggest problem is routing plastic line to avoid heat and crimping. I ran mine along heater hose and found convenient place to drill through firewall for gromett.
 
germy,

Just realized we're working on your driveability problem too.


Is it possible that you actually don't have any oil pressure?
 
That sir is possible, wouldn't that result in overheating? Sorry if I'm reporting old problems, it's been a whole winter since last visit.
 
I use a liq filled gauge with the sender mount.... So I have indication on the motor/under hood and I have a dash mount gauge that works with sender...

Could always use a liquid gauge under hood with a brass 1/4 to 1/8 NPT adapter from Menards, home store, or hardware store will have the NPT, national pipe thread, adapter for about $1. I go to the farm stores for liq gauges they usually have Stainless Steel Liq gauges fro about 10-15$$$ and have many ranges.... get a 0-100 psi.

You can verify you have oil press...

Also... if you chew cam gear.... the distributor end spins the oil pump so if your dist ate the cam gear you will loose your oil pump also....

HEI failures are huge right now and frequent.... I have helped on over 100 of them.... So do the test and review shared with you in your other post.... will guess 2:3 or 65% chance you have a HEI failure going on here. NOT a good situation if the issue, but very well could be,



This was posted to two oil gauge threads from this past October 2011. Again resistance range of sender and gauge need to match or there will be wrong reading or no reading... I plotted the oil sender using compressed air, adjusting air regulator and the use of a pres gauge to set the reglator. Used resistance readings on multimeter to read / ck resistance from threaded mount area to the isolated electrical stud.

Did you use teflon tape on the oil sender???????????????????????? stops the oil/temp sender from grounding to block/head and will keep system from working....

Jeep Oil Sender Gauge Options & Ranges

Many sellers of Jeep Gauges are listing their product for working for all JEEPs and it is just not true….. not true if you want the oil gauge to match the oil pressure on the PRESSURE GAUGES mounted on the engine often done for new engine rebuild start ups…….


The old Jeep Sender and Gauge parts and information is messed up at this time. I went thru this about a year ago, there is a general mixed up of the SENDER resistance ranges and the OEM electric gauges that will work correctly with them. So I dug in to fix my issue and this is what I found on the resistance ranges of stock CJ gauges and senders……….. this what is being sold new and what will work for our CJ..

The older CJ's of the 70's use a 2" thick gauge and their own Specific sender and resistance range.

The newer 80’s Cj's have a 1" gauge and a different sender and resistance range.

Full Size Jeeps for the 70s & 80s… also called the FSJ, for these same years have yet another gauge and sender combo with another resistance range. The Field Service Manuals have the resistance levels / ranges listed for the jeeps years of interest if you need to ck the numbers further…

The Gauges and senders cannot be mixed up or the mix combo will not read the correct oil pressure level. I ordered several and many combos do not work… So it is very easy to get the wrong stuff and pair up the wrong stuff. …….. Many sellers of Jeep Gauges are listing their product for working for all JEEPs and it is just not true….. not true if you want the oil gauge to match the oil pressure on the PRESSURE GAUGES mounted on the engine often done for new engine rebuild start ups……. I like having the oil gauge on the engine so decided to keep it there. I currently use the engine mounted/ installed gauge and OEM Jeep oil gauge/ oil sender….. and yes they do match and can match in psi readings.

The 1970's CJs use a 2" gauge
The sender to use is from NAPA #OP6657
Expensive little bugger and is $60, maybe you can get a discount, and if needed can also consider getting the Crown Gauge & Sender because the cost will be similar. I will give Crown info after the Napa Info.
I hooked this up to a presure regulator and gauge and ploted the pressure and resistance ranges using a multimeter.

Pressure............Measured............spec range CJ 1979 FSM
0-3 psi..... ..........239 ohms...........234-246 ohms
3-7......................239..................146-219
40........................108..................100.5 – 105.5
60………………………………………………………..65.69
80........................40....................32.5 – 34.5


Some time in the 1980's Jeep CJ went to a 1" thick gauge and the oil sender resistance ranges are different. Crown does have a sender that will work, Crown #3212004 and sells for about $20. Morris 4x4.com was selling at 10% discount for a forum discount at the time so it cost me $19 and $4 to ship. Morris and Crown at that time list this for 1975 to 1986 for all CJ, Wagoneers and THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE CROWN SENDER WILL ONLY WORK WITH THE CJ NARROW 1" GAUGE.

This is what I measured with the Crown sender and a pressure regulator, gauge, and multi meter.

Pressure............Measured............spec range
0-3 psi..... ..........70 ohms...........68-70 ohms
20........................33......................
40........................23..................21-25
60........................14....................
80.........................9....................7-13


FURTHER caution is the CJ and Full size use a different gauge and sender. I went thru about 15 years of Jeep Field Service Manuals, FSMs, and they do list the resistance ranges and have pictures / drawings of the oil gauge face. The 1" and 2" gauges do have different faces. I would measure the oil sender pres/resistance range before installing any.

The Crown gauge is in the $20-30 range is I remember right. So it might be less expensive to get the Crown Gauge & Sender compaired to the $60 Napa sender needed for the 2" gauge. I have also been looking for a spare 2" CJ oil gauge and they are not easy to come by. Just thought I would mention this option as well.

TEMP SENDERS are also a issue. I purched 3-4 inexpensive units and the temp/reistance range was not correct. I ordered Napa's premium unit,Elchin? Brand, double the price, and boiled it in water prior to install to test, can also be returned as new if does not pass test, and the boil waster is 212 Deg F or very close and will have a resistance value about 35 ohms. Take it out of boiling water FAST put on paper towel, something that is not a heat sink, and measure the resistance with a multimeter. This needs to be done FAST you will see the resistance change in seconds. Thought I would throw this into the conversation about CJ gauge solutions.

My Temp gauge was bairly reading with PO set up. That temp sender and 3-4 more all failed till I tried the Napa Elchin premium version for the CJ Temp Sender. That one measured correctly.

I have seen the pressure and temp issues dozens of times.

Hope that helps.
 
Upon disassembly of motor I looked into the oil pressure sender. There was a block of aluminum threaded into block. Then another block threaded into that. The sender was then threaded into it. So the sender was parallel to the block. Is this normal procedure or could this be a source of problem?
 
I know this is an old issue, but anyone have an idea?
 
View attachment 11466The main thread is large and progressively get to sending unit thread. Is this odd, could this be my problem?
 
I demand an answer!!!
 
I dont think that is the source of your problem..
I also have a couple of fittings screwed into each other, stepping down the threads...

But I have a mechanical oil pressure guage sender as the final fitting. I did away with the old guage years ago.

I'd take MN CJ7 's advice... He seems to know a thing or two..
 

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