What's up with the WRANGLER?

[jdulmer]

Well, having first posed the question, I intended it to be more philosophical than technical. What I want to know is this:

Is it really "Us" and "Them", or are YOU- at the heart of it -just giving them a hard time, as guys are wont to do?

For me, it's just ME giving people a hard time, it's all in fun..



"Libertatem Aut Mortem"

 

[jdulmer]

Well, having first posed the question, I intended it to be more philosophical than technical. What I want to know is this:

Is it really "Us" and "Them", or are YOU- at the heart of it -just giving them a hard time, as guys are wont to do?

... Of course I like to pick on gals that drive those strange "pick 'em up truck" CJs also...



"Libertatem Aut Mortem"

 

[PaRenegade]

I maybe wrong here, but it seems like the CJ7 with it's longer wheelbase was that first step towards "Selling Out."

Just a thought!

That's an example of what I mean about opinions. And not singling you out jzak so don't take it personal, but the wheelbase changed several times over it's lifespan. Even the 5's changed while still a 5. The 6's and 8's were both longer than the 7's. But all along they were still the Jeep model, CJ series. Only the version changed.

 

[gutthans]

That's an example of what I mean about opinions. And not singling you out jzak so don't take it personal, but the wheelbase changed several times over it's lifespan. Even the 5's changed while still a 5. The 6's and 8's were both longer than the 7's. But all along they were still the Jeep model, CJ series. Only the version changed.

Don't forget the manufacturer changed as well...even during the war.

Personally I think it was all downhill after they removed the .50 cal mounts. Now THAT WOULD BE an option, huh

 

[PaRenegade]

Don't forget the manufacturer changed as well...even during the war.

Yes, and even then it remained the "Jeep". Some called it a "Willys" Jeep or a "Kaiser" Jeep but it still remained the "Jeep". The confusion started when they changed the company name to Kaiser-Jeep. Then you had a "Kaiser-Jeep" Jeep.

 

[BusaDave9]

 

[hatersaurusrex]

Real Jeeps are driven - not towed.
Just kidding - we don't need to get into that argument.

Lol if mine would do more than 55MPH then I'd agree with this statement

 

[Hedgehog]

I often wonder, when does a vehicle become too specialized. I suppose the original Jeep was almost but not completely an off road vehicle, so taking your Jeep from the road to the dirt is actually returning to the it's original purpose.

 

[jdcaples]

I often wonder, when does a vehicle become too specialized. I suppose the original Jeep was almost but not completely an off road vehicle, so taking your Jeep from the road to the dirt is actually returning to the it's original purpose.

I don't follow. When does a vehicle become too specialized? The first thing I thought of was a helicopter, but I'd be surprised if you had whirlybirds in mind.

Most of you should stop reading here.

Ok, you asked for it:
Why helicopter? They pretty much do one thing really well: They transport specialists to the field. They can also hover which comes in handy for rescue efforts and move making directors of photography. Occasionally, captains of industry use them to commute from homes on acreage into dense metropolitan areas, or from big cities like Manhattan to regional airports, but that's relatively rare.

Is the helicopter too specialized?

-Jon

 

[Hedgehog]

Well if you really want to push it and I didn't.

Take a rock crawler for instance. Take a stock Jeep and add huge suspension, huge tires and increadably low gears. You will eventually have a vehicle that is wonderful for off road adventures, but useless on the road. It can't keep up with thaffic, the suspension is actually dangerous and the tires, well the tires are difficult to keep controll of at anything close to highway speeds. You then have a vehicle that needs to be trailered everywhere it goes.

On the flip side if you take the same stock Jeep and lower it, add wide tires, soft fluffy suspension and gear it to get decent mileage on the road you've ruined it for any sort of life off the pavement.

I think many if not most of us are trying for something in between. It is an easy thing to modify, and modify and modify, then do one more thing and suddenly you realize that you Jeep isn't a Jeep any more, it's a rock crawler that needs a trailer to travel any distance. A vehicle no longer useful for the every day life, it's more of a toy than useful. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. The world today has moved from the generalized vehicle or dog or motorcycle or boat or gun that can do most everything fairly well, but nothing spectacularly, to the very narrowly specialized tools we are seeing more and more of today.

I have done this with my rifles. I started off with a Remington 700 varmint rifle in 22-250, I shot the barrel out so I got another barrel, the 22-250 chambering was nice, but the 22-250 ackley was 10% faster, a 1:9 twist would stabilize heavy bullets and the 0.250" neck made neck turning necessary but the necks were beautiful, With a little more range came the needed for a little more scope a 32x scope was added, to make those long distance shots a truly nice trigger was added then a varmint traget stock was made to fit the rifle, would ride the bags well and fit me. Suddenly I went from had a rifle that started off able to be carried and was accurate enough for most people, to a rifle with 32" barrel, huge scope, touchy trigger and impossible to shoot off hand ........ but you should see the Prairie dogs roll at +500 yards. This rifle does what it's designed for really well, is it good for anything else, NO! Do I love it, YES!

Helicopters never crossed my mind. But the aviation field is a perfect example, an A-10 can't do what an SR-71 can do, but if I were stuck on a bad position on the ground my very best friend is an A-10 flying SANDY duty in my area. Nothing walks and talks the talk like an A-10, or the SR-71 for that matter.

For me, a Jeep that can't be used every day, who has to be trailered would be a useless weight around my neck That doesn't mean that it isn't really, realy, cool though.
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[jdcaples]

<snip>
For me, a Jeep that can't be used every day, who has to be trailered would be a useless weight around my neck That doesn't mean that it isn't really, realy, cool though.

Thanks and for what it's worth, I agree that I'd consider my CJ7 a useless weight if I turned it into a toy I'd need to tow to the playground.

What's funny is that nearly everyone in my life has no shortage of mod suggestions. Usually I listen politely.

If I'm cranky, I ask them if they're going to put money, sweat, muscle strain and maybe blood towards the effort and suddenly the subject changes and my Jeep remains relatively generalized.

-Jon

 

[Suz]

Thanks and for what it's worth, I agree that I'd consider my CJ7 a useless weight if I turned it into a toy I'd need to tow to the playground.

-Jon

Me Too.

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[IOPort51]

I tow mine if I am going more than AMC 150 miles and/or there is a good chance I will brake something. My Tundra gets better gas mileage towing the CJ on a trailer with the A/C and cruse on than the CJ gets just pulling itself.

 

[Suz]

I tow mine if I am going more than AMC 150 miles and/or there is a good chance I will brake something. My Tacoma gets better gas mileage towing the CJ on a trailer with the A/C and cruse on than the CJ gets just pulling itself.

LOL :-)

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[Hedgehog]

There are a lot of "bikers" in Sturgis evey year that understand where your comming from.....

 

[mtnwhlr]

Wow this thread has so many twists now it's about towing your Jeep. When I think towing your Jeep I think about having it behind a camper to go play when you get there. But also if you are planning on doing a hard trail it would be nice to have a trailer sitting there if you break something so you can get it home.

 

[Suz]

When I think towing your Jeep I think about having it behind a camper to go play when you get there. But also if you are planning on doing a hard trail it would be nice to have a trailer sitting there if you break something so you can get it home.

Would be really nice to have either of those options...

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[Old Dog]

Everywhere I go trail riding is at least 2 hours from home.
I would not think about driving the cj and having it break that far from home. (and it has)
And as IO said my truck get just as good gas mileage and is a lot more comfortable to drive that far. And it has a lot more room for camping gear.

 

[Suz]

Well, now I'm disillusioned. Thought you guys were hardcore ;-)

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[mtnwhlr]

Theirs hardcore and then theirs prepared