4 Speed issue

[Agent915]

I hadn't even thought about photobucket in years! Heck, I may already have an account. Pics coming soon.

Danny

 

[Hedgehog]

I use photo bucket as well. To get a nice big picture click on the gallery to open the picture for viewing. Copy the "img" link from there. I don't know why, but you get a bigger image when doing it that way than just linking in other ways. Also when the picture is clicked on it does not send the viewer to your photo bucket account.

 

[Agent915]

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Transfer Case ......Dana 20 ?



Fragged Transmission mount!



Mount still attached to the skid plate, barely!



And finally.......the CJ5 , were gonna call "Rowdy"

I have had a heck of a time loading these! But now I, we, officially have pictures. I'm headed to get some fluids to service the transmission and t-case. Should I order the torque arm bolt-pin, or just the bushings? The mount is on the way. The bolt seems to be in good condition. Also, I'm getting the 80w90 for the transmission, what do I need for the t-case?

Danny

 

[mtnwhlr]

Good looking CJ I like the wheels and yes 80w90 for the transfer case. If the bolt is ok you should be fine with just the bushings.

 

[shum8]

Oooohh - The pic of that 5 really makes this thread better! Nice CJ

Yeah, that Transmission mount just might need replacing LOL.

 

[gert]

Nice CJ I'm about 99% sure that's a Dana 300 and definitely stock mount with the torque mount I just went out and looked at my 300 to make sure. Any tranny pics?


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[CJ]

Transfer Case......Dana 20?

Could be a 20 or 300 (some times its hard to tell - below is my Dana 20 before a rebuild.



Can you get a shot of the top and front? What does the tag say?


Dana 20 -->> http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f105/transfer-cases-12108/#post97070
Link ->> The Novak Guide to the Dana Spicer Model 20 Transfer Case



Dana 300 -->> http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f105/transfer-cases-12108/#post97072
Link -->> The Novak Guide to the Dana Spicer Model 300 Transfer Case

 

[Agent915]

Could be a 20 or 300 (some times its hard to tell - below is my D20 before a rebuild.



Can you get a shot of the top and front? What does the tag say?


Dana 20 -->> http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f105/transfer-cases-12108/#post97070
Link ->> The Novak Guide to the Dana Spicer Model 20 Transfer Case



Dana 300 -->> http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f105/transfer-cases-12108/#post97072
Link -->> The Novak Guide to the Dana Spicer Model 300 Transfer Case

The tag on the Transfer Case has two sets of numbers. The top row is 300596-125, below that is 5357020. Behind the tag the case is marked "C18-15-24-8"

 

[CJ]

The tag on the t-case has two sets of numbers. The top row is 300596-125, below that is 5357020. Behind the tag the case is marked "C18-15-24-8"

According to Novak it's a Dana 20 .

"Markings on the Dana 20 can vary, but most start with a C18-15-24..."
"The Dana Spicer Model 20 Transfer Case was released under the following Bills of Materials:
Jeep, 300596
Ford, 300777
IHC, 301064"

Link -->> The Novak Guide to the Dana Spicer Model 20 Transfer Case

 

[Hedgehog]

Agent - It would be interesting if your CJ could talk. While a Dana 20 is a very good Transfer Case , many consider the Dana 300 to be better in some ways, not a great deal better but still the best of the CJ transfer cases. I can't help but wonder why the PO switched both Transmission and transfer case. All around you have a great combination. With a new mount and torque bushing you will be in business.

 

[Agent915]

Thanks! I'm sure it could tell a story or two. I actually got it from the original owner. I believe he said that he bought it new in November of '77. It only has 104,000 on it. I think it was just a weekend toy for him. When I picked it up he handed me a folder with all kind of receipts. The engine was rebuilt in 2011, got those receipts too. He said that he would be shocked if the Jeep had 1500 miles on it since the rebuild.The Transmission was replaced in 2009. We didn't get into a deep discussion as to why other than he said he wanted a 4 speed. Nothing was said about a Transfer Case swap. Would a Danna 20 not be original to a '78 CJ? I'm not a Jeep expert, as you guys have already discovered, but I think I found a real gem in this CJ! I was absolutely stunned at the prices some folks were asking for Jeeps that I would not have attempted to drive home! I knew I wanted a CJ, preferably a 5 with a V8 and that I didn't want another Wrangler. When I found this one I had to have it!
I know that I have already told you guys how much I appreciate how you've helped me, and I do! I feel like I've been chatting with you for years and it's great!

 

[CJ]

~~~ Would a Danna 20 not be original to a '78 CJ? ~~~

Agent, read the link I posted earlier from Novak on the Dana 20 , it has all the information I have posted so far.

From Novak-- The Novak Guide to the Dana Spicer Model 20 Transfer Case

"The Jeep Model 20 is found in these vehicles:
1962 to 1979: Full Size J-Series Jeeps
1967 to 1973: C101 & C104 Commandos
1972 to 1979: CJ5 , CJ6 & CJ7 "

Also, don;t forget to fill out your profile and :ww:

 

[Agent915]

Agent, read the link I posted earlier from Novak on the Dana 20, it has all the information I have posted so far.

From Novak-- The Novak Guide to the Dana Spicer Model 20 Transfer Case

"The Jeep Model 20 is found in these vehicles:
1962 to 1979: Full Size J-Series Jeeps
1967 to 1973: C101 & C104 Commandos
1972 to 1979: CJ5, CJ6 & CJ7"

Also, don;t forget to fill out your profile and :ww:

Thanks CJ! Will do on the profile.

 

[Hedgehog]

Agent - please fill out your jeep information so we instantly know more about your CJ. I looked back fairly quickly and thought I saw that you had an '84. My mistake. It's good that you bought your CJ from the original owner and he gave you receipts. Now you know far more than most do about their CJ's.

 

[JR74CJ5]

One of your first questions was about hydraulic clutch swap too - it's doable and I love it compared to my original linkage set up and my Uncle's cable set up. So soft and smooth.

Was a bit of a pain to get it done though...

Here's the post from my build thread showing my swap.

http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f98/jrs-74-cj5-fix-build-i-go-11231/index10.html#post163077

I got the kit from Novak Conversions.

https://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/clutch/kit-hcr3/

I thought I got the master cyl from them too, but maybe not...

Call them - may just not show on their site...

There are also many other ways to do it without the "kits" if you're interested...

Also other choices besides the hydraulic if your interested, but I love mine...

 

[Agent915]

The clutch isn't really an issues for me, but I was wanting to teach my daughters to drive a stick and thought the hydraulic swap might be a good idea. I have also thought about the Heim Joint kit. I've read that those make the standard clutch much smoother and maybe a little easier to operate. Do you know anything about those?

Danny

 

[Hedgehog]

Many years ago, I swapped out an SR4 for a Ford T-18 . The SR4 had a hydraulic clutch but it was early on without computers and I couldn't find an adaptor for the hydraulic unit. So a trip to a junk yard yielded up an old tired clutch mechanism and pedal. The holes were all washed out and the linkages were worn practically through. So while looking for a solution I discovered Heim joints. It didn't take long to drill out the holes and thread the linkages to accept the joints. In the end the clutch was every bit as easy to manage as the hydraulics were. Smooth, no sloppiness a great improvement. When I got the '75 the linkage was in similar condition, to my surprise there were kits available to do exactly the same thing. I highly recommend the Heim joint conversion. I've even converted my brake pivot point over to a Heim Joint. Doing that was easy and easier to manage if you need to remove the pedal. The brake pivot pin is just peened in place. Drill it out and the thing will fall out. Replace the pin with a joint with a bolt. Easy as can be and the brake feel is great.

 

[Torxhead]

I really can't see how a heim joint setup would make the clutch linkage much smoother. Although I do have some on my CJ and think they work good as replacements for the oem style of a bent rod going thru a hole held in with a cotter pin. I think replacing needed worn out parts on a clutch linkage including motor mounts would be good though also lubricating the clutch pedal mount bushing. I have also seen guys quite satisfied with their hydraulic operated linkages along with a few that can't quite get it.

 

[Hedgehog]

True, the bent rod arrangements work, but they do wear, both on the rod and the hole. Less friction, less wear, fewer adjustment for worn parts, no sloppiness in the joint, over all a better clutch feel. With the relatively low cost for a conversion kit, especially if the linkage is already worn almost completely through as mine was makes this a very worth while conversion. At least for me it was. For others the mileage might vary.

Now it is far easier to convert the clutch to a hydraulic arrangement. But I will say this. Both the slave and master cylinders on the '80 CJ5 I had suffered failures and were replaced. The manual linkage on my CJ has never let me down. Of course that indicated that I also don't push my CJ over extraordinary ground where frame flex tends to pop linkages.

 

[Agent915]

Thanks Hedge! Where can I source a Heim Joint kit?

Danny