Full on or dedicated hunting vehicle

[IOPort51]

you ever notice how your fingers will type things your mouth would never say? Communication between humans id the greatest challenge of history. We can communicate more with a raised eyebrow than 50 e-mails. I think, as a group, we get along remarkably well.

I have been trying to devise a way to carry the high lift on the rock rail with little success. I think I would like to have the fire arms inside the "mud free" zone.

 

[Hedgehog]

Yes it can be done. I never will bragg on my welding, but I generally get'er done. I've been consideing Military surplus cans for making a center consol. Gluing several together might work .... man like everything else ammo cans have gotten expensive, relatively that is. I've looked at various military boxes for many years, every time they are just a bit the wrong size for my needs. One day I'll find the perfect can and I'll buy a bunch of them.

That's another challenge, I've got to find a really good way to carry my 60' H-L Jack. Undoubtably I'll end up using one of the time tested carry locations already used. I do want the thing mounted down low, I want to keep as much weight as low as possible.

IO - Man your right about internet communications and how they can sometimes fail. I've gotten myself in serious trouble without knowing I was being insulting. Now it takes a lot for me to be truly insulted, even then I'm trying to sit back and take a hard look at what was being said, not just what was written. Occasionally it helps to look at a other threads the poster participated in to see how they generally write. Unlike many bulletin boards, this group is rarely, if ever, looking for a fight and that's refeshing to see.

 

[mtnwhlr]

One way to keep your Jeep and whats in it safe when out hunting is to chain a Pitbull to it

 

[Hedgehog]

Sorry to you pit bull owners. If I found a pit bull tied to my Jeep I'd leave it tied on and let it run until it got tired, then I'd go faster........ No, No that's just not right, I don't believe in torture or causing pain to an animal. So, I'd be forced to pull out the predator shotgun I use on coyotes and wellll ....... No, No that's just wrong, folks love the killing machines they are ....... But they are the most loving dogs in the world ..... my dog never hurt a soal ........ but why is little Billy laying there dead.

Listen guys I've gone down the Pit Bull road before and have heard it all. I simply can't help the way I feel about a dog bread to fight and kill other animals in a fighting pit. But, let it be understood that I don't believe in bringing pain to a domestic animal.

 

[cj7inthetwigs]

Has it been considered to join a hunting club? I realize some of the best spots may not be protected by a club, however one would think folks who are all in the same club wouldn't steal the valve stems off the spare tire. If anything I hope they would be their brother's keeper so to speak.

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[Hedgehog]

Lets see, I was in the Southern Arizona Wildlife callers ... served as a board member, ... was the Hunt master for years ... then president for a couple ... along with being the News Letter Editor ... then while being a moderator on Predator Masters for 7 years and being friends with Gerry Blair the editor for the predator portion of Trapper and Predator hunting magazine my ugly mug has been in several magazines and Gerry's last book on predator hunting. I even wrote an article that was printed in Varmint Hunter Magazine ......Gentlemen, I've been around this sport for a long time. Western Predator hunting, which isn't all that different from Eastern Predator hunting is a different sort of sport. A great deal of country is covered, stands last 15-30 minutes. Distance between stands vary, but is generally in the 0.5 range. I usually hunt with a partner, but hunt alone quite a bit. My partner and I are more or less together looking or covering as many angles as possible.

Theft isn't often encountered and the Jeep doesn't need to be a tank, but at least visually secure. Nothing is truly secure though.

 

[cj7inthetwigs]

I figured as much just didnt know to what extent. True, locks only keep honest people out!

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[IOPort51]

Sorry to you pit bull owners. If I found a pit bull tied to my Jeep I'd leave it tied on and let it run until it got tired, then I'd go faster........ No, No that's just not right, I don't believe in torture or causing pain to an animal. So, I'd be forced to pull out the predator shotgun I use on coyotes and wellll ....... No, No that's just wrong, folks love the killing machines they are ....... But they are the most loving dogs in the world ..... my dog never hurt a soal ........ but why is little Billy laying there dead.

Listen guys I've gone down the Pit Bull road before and have heard it all. I simply can't help the way I feel about a dog bread to fight and kill other animals in a fighting pit. But, let it be understood that I don't believe in bringing pain to a domestic animal.

We may have our differences on coyote but we are pretty much on the same page with pit bulls. I would never , if given a choice, hurt one . but I will never own one.

 

[Hedgehog]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to side track the thread.

 

[IOPort51]

you are right!! back on track!

can you shorten the plastic rifle cases? Maybe cut a few inches off the barrel end?

 

[Petescj]

I tried searching for pics of what I wanted and kept up coming with the Pelican storage boxes. Pretty much like ammo cans. They are quite pricey though. My idea for the outside was pretty much like the drawing posted by Gatorbait. Waterproofing is the tough part. PCV pipe in the right size with threaded end caps? Probably functional but a bit cheesey.

Side note: I was looking at rescue dogs recently and atleast 80% were Pit Bulls. Id never get a Pit and it seems sad that all these are breeding them when they just keep getting thrown away like that.

 

[Hedgehog]

Possibly, I hate to compromise the case though.

While looking on line I see some options that might work. The weapons being used on each stand arent really the problem. The carry method I like there is one of three.

The best are the overhead mounting systems where the mount is attached to the windshield and the roll bar. The guns are up and out of the way. The ones with velcro safety straps make me nervous though. Velcro eventually gets old and warn, then it lets go unexpectedly.

Then there are several models that attach to the roll bar going accross the vehicle. This restricts access to the rear, but I'm thinking that isn't a big deal.

An idea that is gaining appeal is to mount the rifles on the dash or bottom of the windshield. Easy access and you can easily see the rifles/long guns.

The real trick is securing the back for easy access and versitility.

Edit: PetesCJ - One of the nicest feature of a Google search is the "image" search. Yesterday I tried a number of searchs and came up with a few long narrow boxes used for versitil storage, some of them even had inserts for firearms. I'm still working out how to do omething similar to your idea but up along the side, similar to the way the forest service carried shovels and such. The differance would be that mine would be more or less water proof.

 

[IOPort51]

I would have to think hard about a system that allowed access to long guns from the front seat. Someone will try to grab it and jump out and the results may be disastrous.

the roll bar to windshield idea may interfere with your favorite head. Something I learned from the roll bar modification, Be sure the natural range of motion of your body does not any part of your body to impact that piece of pipe you put in the wrong place. The side to side on the roll bar idea puts body parts too close to the business end of a shot gun. when they are removed one or both of you will be in the line of fire. I know , the safety is on and it isn't loaded. yea, right.

How long are those gun cases? does the barrel bottom out in the case or does the weapon rest on another part of the rifle case?

This is an interesting problem.

 

[SlowPocono]

Why can't the guns that aren't being used be broken down for storage and transport?

 

[Hedgehog]

I think there is some confusion as to what most predator hunting is all about or how a hunt generally goes. While on the road, I mean a real road the guns are stored in the normal acceptable manner established long ago. Actual hunting along a road like that is also as it is in most states. Gun unloaded until a legal or a safe distance from the road. etc. The same as anywhere else. Then when we are talking about being in the field ...... Wastern hunting isn't like eastern hunting. We hunt on large tracts of open range land or farm or ranch roads. Out here they are refered to as 2-tracks and they go on and on for many miles.

Both types of guns need to be available during a days hunt. Generally we travel along, stop pull off the 2-track, grab gun, calls and ladder or stool walk out 200 yards and call for 15 or so minutes, then return to the vehicle, store guns and equipement, drive about 0.5 miles and do it again ..... all day long. There's a lot of shuffling going on. If we find ourselves in a situation where a gun change is required, for instance in thick brush where a shotgun is a more effective tool we switch out and keep on going.

To answer the previous question, not many long guns can be broken down, sure most shotguns can, but few long guns. Some sort of case is the best way to transport any fire arm.

IOport51 - If taken to the extreme a fire arm is NEVER safely stored. It's always going to point somewhere whether pointed at the floor, pointed up, stored lenght wise or cross wise to the vehicle. The trick is to have a number of safety habbits firmly engrained in anyone handling a fire arm. My partner and I are quite safe, we unload, put the gun on safe or leave the action open with an empty chamber. I have taken it to the point of using a single shot rifle only. Easy to unload, easy to see it's unloaded.

Generally I consider our practices to be safer than the guys that hold their rifles in their lap or in their hand when traveling from hunting location to location.

To this point I think we've covered fire arms fairly well. Probably too well, to be quite honest I'm getting to the point where I'm beging to feel uncomforatble talking about the process of hunting in general. This is a Jeep board and I was looking for ideas about how to set my jeep up for a specific purpose.

For instance, I've never hunted in a vehicle with a winch. I know I need some equipement to make my winch as effective as possible.

- What equipement should I have for the purpose of winching.

- I'd like to hear opinions on these new synthedic winch ropes. Are they worth the money? What strength should I get?

- Should I carry chain or is that over weight and obsolete?

- Is there a shovel I should use or avoid?

- What about anchor points? Are they just rods driven in the ground or are they like an anchor?

 

[mstar]

On the winch acc. what I carry is a couple of D-shackles,short piece of 3/8" chain,snatch block,web strap(tree saver)I think its about 15' long,gloves ,mule tape is handy to have and maybe something to throw over winch line when under load(a jacket or shirt will work also) recovery points on bumper.thats about it for me.I don't have a anchor but a old axle and 5# hammer will work. The next story is for anyone that is interested
On a side note we got stuck on flat ground in a ranchers barnyard where the water had been leaking and that dust turns to the slickest you can imagine.Yes we had to winch about 20' to get going.We stuck a piece of wood in a badger hole for anchor. The high desert can be nasty when it rains. mike s.

 

[IOPort51]

I think there is some confusion as to what most predator hunting is all about or how a hunt generally goes. While on the road, I mean a real road the guns are stored in the normal acceptable manner established long ago. Actual hunting along a road like that is also as it is in most states. Gun unloaded until a legal or a safe distance from the road. etc. The same as anywhere else. Then when we are talking about being in the field ...... Wastern hunting isn't like eastern hunting. We hunt on large tracts of open range land or farm or ranch roads. Out here they are refered to as 2-tracks and they go on and on for many miles.

Both types of guns need to be available during a days hunt. Generally we travel along, stop pull off the 2-track, grab gun, calls and ladder or stool walk out 200 yards and call for 15 or so minutes, then return to the vehicle, store guns and equipement, drive about 0.5 miles and do it again ..... all day long. There's a lot of shuffling going on. If we find ourselves in a situation where a gun change is required, for instance in thick brush where a shotgun is a more effective tool we switch out and keep on going.

To answer the previous question, not many long guns can be broken down, sure most shotguns can, but few long guns. Some sort of case is the best way to transport any fire arm.

IOport51 - If taken to the extreme a fire arm is NEVER safely stored. It's always going to point somewhere whether pointed at the floor, pointed up, stored lenght wise or cross wise to the vehicle. The trick is to have a number of safety habbits firmly engrained in anyone handling a fire arm. My partner and I are quite safe, we unload, put the gun on safe or leave the action open with an empty chamber. I have taken it to the point of using a single shot rifle only. Easy to unload, easy to see it's unloaded.

Generally I consider our practices to be safer than the guys that hold their rifles in their lap or in their hand when traveling from hunting location to location.

To this point I think we've covered fire arms fairly well. Probably too well, to be quite honest I'm getting to the point where I'm beging to feel uncomfortable talking about the process of hunting in general. This is a Jeep board and I was looking for ideas about how to set my jeep up for a specific purpose.

For instance, I've never hunted in a vehicle with a winch. I know I need some equipment to make my winch as effective as possible.

- What equipment should I have for the purpose of winching.

- I'd like to hear opinions on these new synthetic winch ropes. Are they worth the money? What strength should I get?

- Should I carry chain or is that over weight and obsolete?

- Is there a shovel I should use or avoid?

- What about anchor points? Are they just rods driven in the ground or are they like an anchor?

I could not have put that better if I tried.

I carry a snatch block, gloves,the remote and two of three lifting straps. I use industrial crane rigging straps, they are rated/ tested / certified and last a long time with no real special care. I like straps better than chains because they will tell you before they come un-put-together. chains come apart pretty quick when they do and having that much steel flying through the air is a little scarey.

as shovels go I carry a surplus trenching tool. I am sure that in the event that it is actually needed I will wish it were a lot bigger. I would say carry the largest shovel you can find space for. The trenching tool is also good for lifting tires on to the hub, shovel under the tire and kneel on the handle. 15 33s x 10are not light.

I would love to finely replace my cable. If you have a choice when you find a winch I would go with the rope. Of course the cable is nearing 40 and it still works as well as it did when it was new. I wonder if the rope will get close.

anchor points? In East Texas we call them trees.

 

[rr41mag]

wal mart or kmart used to sell a small gun safe. It would hold 3 or 4 long guns

 

[Hedgehog]

great idea, I think I'll buy a full size gun safe and strap her on the jeep......