Jeep Wave Etiquette?

[Lumpy Grits]

Therefore the difference between a jeep (CJ) and a JEEP (Company). Saw something that did burn my chaps. A new JEEP with a WILLYS sticker on it. I wanted to rip the darned thing off right there and then.

Did this have flat fenders also?
Seen a couple of'em around here. They were park'd at the mall.
LG

 

[Dan77CJ7]

Therefore the difference between a jeep (CJ) and a JEEP (Company). I've often said, "Hey, you've got a very nice jeep like Chrysler there." or simply "Nice Chrysler." My buddy thinks one of these days I'm going to get my lights punched out. I tell him, naw, they know what I'm talking about.

Saw something that did burn my chaps. A new JEEP with a WILLYS sticker on it. I wanted to rip the darned thing off right there and then.

Come on now... you could use that same saying for AMC. like my dad could tell me, nice "Jeep like" AMC... he has a willys... willys-overland...Jeep- Kasier... Hasnt owning a jeep always been about offroad performance? not just having a 7 slot grill?

When i pulled my seven slot of my JK i got lots of guff... I was told i lost the "Iconic look of a jeep" I said i bough my jeep for its "legendary offroad performance"!! not its iconic appearance..

If we're talking about performance... and not just owning an iconic piece of history, then hands down that willys you seen will top the charts against its predecessor. it may not have the look you like, but it does have the legendary performance ALL jeeps come with.

BTW these statements are for the sake of conversation, im not trying to be argumentative.

 

[Hedgehog]

The history and the deliberately BROKEN connection between the CJ line and all the jeep like junk .... sorry not junk, but jeep like vehicles that came after it has been thrashed over and over again here in this forum. Notice the Wrangler is a Wrangler and NOT a CJ. A while back I had to give in to the fact that the modern jeep like vehicles are JEEPS due to the company name, but they are NOT CJ's or jeeps, the line was very publicly broken buy Chrysler in 1986. I will accept that the modern vehicle is a JEEP, but will never accept that it is a jeep. With that there is no real insult to the jeep like Chrysler products, they are simply not a jeep and no matter how much they look like a jeep they will always be only a JEEP. In all reality a Hummer is a far superior off road vehicle with a very similar history, but it will never be a jeep. As a Land Cruiser and a Range Rover will never be a jeep. .....it's easily argued that they are better than a jeep.

 

[JeepBunny]

"If we're talking about performance... and not just owning an iconic piece of history, then hands down that willys you seen will top the charts against its predecessor."

I'm going to have to disagree with this.

Over the years my ex and I owned CJs, YJs, Cherokees...most of the time a bunch of them all at the same time. You could say we were a halfway house for rehabilitating delinquent jeep models. We rebuilt a '52 CJ 3A, stock with military tires. It, hands down, out performed it's younger cousins. And we went through some pretty gnarly stuff on club rides. Which is exactly what they were designed for in the first place.

Small, nimble, naturally low geared to get the most out of that flathead motor. There was nowhere that little jeep couldn't go and not a damn thing it couldn't go over or through. Top the charts? What do you think invented the charts?

 

[Hedgehog]

If there isn't any choice about it drive through the big bumpy rocks. But , hey, couldn't the guy in the second picture have driven around those rocks? It's almost like he chose to abuse his jeep. Why take the chance, I would have driven around. I'd be like, "Hey ma, look at this, No rocks!"

 

[JeepBunny]

If there isn't any choice about it drive through the big bumpy rocks. But , hey, couldn't the guy in the second picture have driven around those rocks? It's almost like he chose to abuse his jeep. Why take the chance, I would have driven around.

He could have i guess. That was a long time ago, but i think he did it because he could.

To quote my good friend, Jerry, who owns & runs Northfield 4x4; there's no going around in jeeping.

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[Petescj]

If there isn't any choice about it drive through the big bumpy rocks. But , hey, couldn't the guy in the second picture have driven around those rocks? It's almost like he chose to abuse his jeep. Why take the chance, I would have driven around. I'd be like, "Hey ma, look at this, No rocks!"

What fun would that be?

 

[PaRenegade]

The history and the deliberately BROKEN connection between the CJ line and all the jeep like junk .... sorry not junk, but jeep like vehicles that came after it has been thrashed over and over again here in this forum. Notice the Wrangler is a Wrangler and NOT a CJ. A while back I had to give in to the fact that the modern jeep like vehicles are JEEPS due to the company name, but they are NOT CJ's or jeeps, the line was very publicly broken buy Chrysler in 1986. I will accept that the modern vehicle is a JEEP, but will never accept that it is a jeep. With that there is no real insult to the jeep like Chrysler products, they are simply not a jeep and no matter how much they look like a jeep they will always be only a JEEP. In all reality a Hummer is a far superior off road vehicle with a very similar history, but it will never be a jeep. As a Land Cruiser and a Range Rover will never be a jeep. .....it's easily argued that they are better than a jeep.

Well said!
To take it a step further and touch on the "jeep" name/word/trademark. The word had been around for a while but I consider the official point in time the 1/4 ton 4x4 lightweight open top vehicle was named "the Jeep" was when it climbed the stairs on it's debut and the reporter ask the driver what it was and he responded "the Jeep". From that point on it was called nothing else. Willys called it the Jeep and even went as far as going to court to trademark its name. Which wasn't approved till 1950. So the vehicles name was the Jeep well before even the brand trademark existed.

We've all heard it called a Willys Jeep or a Kaiser Jeep or an AMC Jeep. And it wasn't until 1963 when the word was used in a company/brand name. And that has continued as the brand ever since. But no matter what it's company ownership happened to be at the time, it was the Jeep model, which always had 2 versions, military (m*) or civilian (cj*). And in all it's evolution and improvements thru it's 45 year history it remained like that.

Marketing trends in the form of descriptive adjectives were added and deleted thru the years, such as the"mighty" jeep or the "universal" jeep or the "agri" jeep. But it was always the "jeep". No one ever referred to it as the "cj" until later marketing schemes by AMC, I think since they had several other models all vying for the JEEP name recognition. Which, in my opinion, is why Chrysler bought them out in 87. They wanted that well known trademark name as a tremendous sales tool.

 

[Dan77CJ7]

i often forget im on a CJ site so ill keep my mouth shut. i hope we can agree to disagree, jeeps have come a long way.

 

[Petescj]

Ok everyone. This thread is about The Jeep Wave. It's not about what Jeep is this or what Jeep is that. You all made your points. Agree to disagree and move on. The horse is officially dead. How would it look if I closed a thread on Jeep Etiquette?

 

[JeepBunny]

i often forget im on a CJ site so ill keep my mouth shut. i hope we can agree to disagree, jeeps have come a long way.

I'll agree to disagree with you, on the grounds that PaRenegade and Hedge stated above.

But after re-reading your previous post I just need to say this because it's bothering me...

"Hasnt owning a jeep always been about offroad performance? not just having a 7 slot grill?" "I said i bough my jeep for its "legendary offroad performance"!! not its iconic apearance."

Original jeeps had 9 slots. But the face shape stayed pretty much the same, so I guess you can say that gives it an iconic look. The whole body style is pretty unique, though.

"it does have the legendary performance ALL jeeps come with"

No. And that's not CJ snobbery talking, that's design limitations governed by safety laws. If you want to take your new JEEP offroad you need to disconnect sway bars, dis-engage electronic stability controls, add lift, lockers, aggressive tires, etc... When you have to throw thousands more at your vehicle to bring it up to par you're not getting a jeep with legendary performance. You're aspiring to one.

I'm not saying you're wrong for building what you want. That's cool. To each their own. But don't stamp your feet insisting that you're getting better than the original. Modern laws don't allow it. And once you start to mod your JK the warranty becomes null and void. The second you take it offroad, "trail rated" sticker or not, the warranty becomes null and void. If Chrysler's churning them out with legendary performance why the tablecloth trick?

But Dan77CJ7, if I ever see you rolling down the road towards me I promise I'll wave.

 

[JeepBunny]

Ok everyone. This thread is about The Jeep Wave. It's not about what Jeep is this or what Jeep is that. You all made your points. Agree to disagree and move on. The horse is officially dead. How would it look if I closed a thread on Jeep Etiquette?

Gah! Sorry. I was creating my post while you were giving us a lickin.

I'll be good.

 

[Petescj]

Gah! Sorry. I was creating my post while you were giving us a lickin.

I'll be good.

http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f49/official-argument-thread-26088/

 

[PaRenegade]

Just for the record. I hope no one was taking my statements personally in a negative way as a personal attack. I actually think this discussion has been pretty dang civil compared to some I've seen elsewhere. I'm sure since this is specifically a Jeep CJ site that helps, as we're more informed for the most part about the Jeep.

These two issues are two pet peeves of mine and have been for a while. Just to give you perspective, and I don't do this from any tall soapbox looking down or hollier than thou attitude. I have been into Jeeps and off-roading since I was a kid and became a jeeper in 82 when I ordered a new Renegade . So Jeeps are near and dear to me, having had this interest for about 41 years. I've read many a things over the years and had many friends and acquaintances with Jeeps. My point isn't, as I said, that I'm better than anyone else, but I am more passionate then most about the Jeep and it's history, some of which I've been part of for a long time. I see Jeep history getting twisted, distorted, and generally muddied by both Chrysler/Daimler/Fiat and the younger generations and I feel the need to help keep the record straight.

I don't look at this as arguing, but rather teaching future viewers by discussing these issues. Some folks have a hard time at not attaching emotion to typed words from people they've never met. i try to always keep that in mind, from my end anyways.

 

[Dan77CJ7]

I'll agree to disagree with you, on the grounds that PaRenegade and Hedge stated above.

But after re-reading your previous post I just need to say this because it's bothering me...

"Hasnt owning a jeep always been about offroad performance? not just having a 7 slot grill?" "I said i bough my jeep for its "legendary offroad performance"!! not its iconic apearance."

Original jeeps had 9 slots. But the face shape stayed pretty much the same, so I guess you can say that gives it an iconic look. The whole body style is pretty unique, though.

"it does have the legendary performance ALL jeeps come with"

No. And that's not CJ snobbery talking, that's design limitations governed by safety laws. If you want to take your new JEEP offroad you need to disconnect sway bars, dis-engage electronic stability controls, add lift, lockers, aggressive tires, etc... When you have to throw thousands more at your vehicle to bring it up to par you're not getting a jeep with legendary performance. You're aspiring to one.

I'm not saying you're wrong for building what you want. That's cool. To each their own. But don't stamp your feet insisting that you're getting better than the original. Modern laws don't allow it. And once you start to mod your JK the warranty becomes null and void. The second you take it offroad, "trail rated" sticker or not, the warranty becomes null and void. If Chrysler's churning them out with legendary performance why the tablecloth trick?

But Dan77CJ7, if I ever see you rolling down the road towards me I promise I'll wave.

I just brought my JK in for a leaky radiator, and leaky t-stat houseing they replaced both along with free upper and lower hoses and a speed sensor reprogramed and updated me PCU, still under warranty.. but i do realize if i pop my axle, bend the housing, break an drive line it won't be covered, i modified/upgraded those items .. and with the BLD and traction control, clutch lock system, and i was connected at the swaybar...my stock jeep went farther then my dads willys and he wwas pushing that 130ish ft-lb maybe more..? of torq pretty hard, with 285HP and 260 ft-lbs i have, (power without traction is losing) he's willys had to concede many lines i took. but again i dont what to bring up stuff like chrsyler was involved with willys in 1938 helping along the way, Iv read the term jeep may be a military trem referring to GP.. but iv also read Jeep was a cartoon character in the original popeye cartoon "that would crash through walls" much like a jeep would climb a tough trial, long before JEEP was a model for willys...LMAO i read this im not saying is a fact/facts.

but really i dont care either way. i know what a stock willys and a stock CJ and a stock YJ and a stock tj and a stock jk will or wont do off road.. hell i know what a stock dodge caravan will do off road.

iv owed them all and yet i always have the most fun in my CJs which i love to death! I was born into jeeps and ill die building them, all of them..

If you want to agree to disagree then its just that, you cant have both ways. you cant agree with me then tell me im still wrong lol.

Quite the debate... I mean no disrespect, only a point of view. but i can see the view from both sides, for me the grass is green on both sides of the fence.

yeah ididnt see petes post either. i having fun not making enemies.. i just read you post pete. sorry. and jeepbunny ill smile and wave back lol i coundnt wait to get home from work and read the thread lol

 

[Petescj]

End of debate.

 

[Neuner]

http://www.jeep-cj.com/forums/f49/official-argument-thread-26088/

Put them in the corner and tell them they can't come out until they hug and say they're sorry!

 

[hole]

I waved at a JK guy the other day, and he actually waved back
Does this mean the feud is over ?

 

[Hedgehog]

If they wave at me I really wouldn't know, after all they are just another Fiat driver. Kidding! But honestly, with all that tinted glass I find it difficult to see the driver.

Neuner - if I were somehow wrong I'd say I was sorry and mean it.

 

[Dan77CJ7]

I waved at a JK guy the other day, and he actually waved back
Does this mean the feud is over ?

I dont think so. I was in the JK, I waved an gave a big grin and the thumbs up to a purple CJ7 today and got snubbed... I guess the feud is still on in denver.. but i'll keep wavin'.. maybe it was my tinted glass/plastic...