T-150 help

[scooter6529]

I've got a dilemma and need some insight, my CJ5 has a T-150 3spd and I was going to do a rebuild, I bought a rebuild kit from Novak Conversions. I've got 3 of these transmissions hoping between the 3 I'd be able to build 1 good 1. Not the case, all 3 have the same gears bad. Well to make a long story longer some of the gears I need are no longer available. Now what should I do, looking for suggestions and recommendations. Thanks for your time.

 

[cjdemon]

can you put a picture of the gear you need.
would help maybe i can find a spare for you..

 

[Jimbos76cj]

get the gear number and check with eBay.. I sold gears on there for a while.. Id make more money selling the gears separately then i would as a complete Transmission .

 

[Saddle Tramp]

Or upgrade to a T-18 .

 

[cjdemon]

i would gladly up date to a t18a , would give my T-176 and my T-150 for that one


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[scooter6529]

Thanks for helpful ideas fellas. The one I need is first-reverse hub, none of the web sites I found offer this gear. My buddy owns a Transmission shop and he said to contact Zumbrota Gear and bearing they should have it, they can't get it either. That's when I decided to go to this wonderful site for some insight. I'll try and get a pic tonight. Where can I find a good T-18 and for how much?

 

[Shawn76]

Do you want to get rid of the 176?

 

[scooter6529]

Here are some pics of first reverse hub I am looking for

 

[thistle3585]

I just bought one of those when I rebuilt my T-150 . I think I got mine at Rustys offroad but I also saw some on ebay. Omix/ADA makes them.

 

[scooter6529]

I'm pretty sure I checked all the aftermarket sources and that one is not available

 

[thistle3585]

If that is the first/reverse assembly then I just bought it about three months ago. You can get the gears individually or the entire assembly. Omix/ADA part # 18883.09. I'm getting ready to rebuild another one and I'll be ordering that same part.

 

[Saddle Tramp]

Where can I find a good T-18 and for how much?

You are in luck, the 1977 to 1979 CJs have a duel set of holes drilled and tapped into the bell housing to accept the Ford “butterfly” pattern (same as the T-150 ) and the CJ T-18 allowing you to use either one. The other bit of good news is that the frame for those years also has two sets of holes drilled and tapped to move the skid plate back to accept the T-18 Transmission . The swap is a close as you can get to a direct bolt in.

The CJ version was pretty hard to find and to some extent still is but as more and more CJs are being parted out (a moment of silence reflect on the loss please) they seem to pop up on Craig’s list with greater frequency. For the CJ version swap NO adaptors are required for 1977 to 1979 and other years can still be done with all OEM parts. I see them from a low of $300 to a high of $1100. Note: The CJ T-18 comes with a 1” adaptor to mate to the Dana 20 as part of the case.

The Ford version will bolt to the 1977 to 1979 bell housing using the T-150 holes however the stick out length of the front shaft is about an inch shorter than the CJ version necessitating a special pilot bushing which can be had from Advanced Adaptors or Novak Adaptors for less than $100. The custom bushing compensates for the shorter shaft. The best Ford T-18 candidates to adapt to a CJ are the two wheel drive versions but then an adaptor kit (includes a new tail shaft) is needed to mate to the Transfer Case and that can cost up to $500. I see used Ford T-18 transmissions around my area from $200 to $300; sometimes more. While changing out the rear shaft you should just do a complete rebuild so add $AMC 150 or so for a rebuild/small parts kit.

The other expense is going to be to shorten the rear drive line and make the front longer. Two ways to go, buy new drive lines (expensive) or have a shop modify the ones you have. (less expensive)


Also there is the low range gearing issue. The 1977 to 1979 CJ years are the coveted 6.32 version while sometime in 1976 and older they are 4.02. Ford offered different gearing too including the 6.32.

 

[mikeincg]

I did this exact swap T-150 to a Ford T-18 . Do yourself a favor do not waste your time on the 3 speed. It is a strong Transmission but it is still a 3 speed with no real granny gear.

T-150
The Borg Warner T150 Jeep Transmission - Novak Conversions
Jeep T150 | Tech Vault | Advance Adapters

T-18
The Borg-Warner T18 & T19 Transmissions - Novak Conversions

I had my heart set on a SM420 when I was swapping transmissions but in the end practicality won out and I jabbed in the T-18 -super easy. I bought a junker had it rebuilt.
I haven't really looked lately but in even in 2004 an SM420 was getting scarce in the Phx area. In my humble opinion I think the SM 420 is the perfect Transmission for a high torque straight six motor-if you can handle the way they shift and you don't want a 5 speed.

SM420
The GM Muncie SM420 Transmission - Novak Conversions
GM SM420 | Tech Vault | Advance Adapters

 

[Dan77CJ7]

I've got a dilemma and need some insight, my CJ5 has a T-150 3spd and I was going to do a rebuild, I bought a rebuild kit from Novak Conversions. I've got 3 of these transmissions hoping between the 3 I'd be able to build 1 good 1. Not the case, all 3 have the same gears bad. Well to make a long story longer some of the gears I need are no longer available. Now what should I do, looking for suggestions and recommendations. Thanks for your time.

Man if i could do it over i would of never had the T-150 rebuilt. my fault i panic when she breaks down!!!! but i found a sweet deal on a t-18a
(confirmed 6.32ish 1st gear ) Dana 20 ,skid plate,drive shafts all the linkage bellhousing, ALL clutch parts and hardware the hole Nine for a clean easy swap. And all for only 699.99 out the door!!!!! I think i stole it!! i even got to drive the 76' CJ7 before i bought it ran like butter!!!! the kid wanted a "big block" and '44s" with a "wicked crawl tranny". sad but i bet dollars to donuts the poor jeeps gets gutted cut and wasted anyway. just a thought, a real up-grade with a factory fit. the t18a is a beast you could put 2 T-150 inside it! But i understand you have paid for parts, my 2 cent only


I found it on CL after 2 months of searching.

the ford T-18 is a real pain to hook up. if you go T-18 get it from a CJ. FSJ and fords need parts that a CJ T-18 doesnt need for a install much easier. i'll let you know how my install goes.

 

[Dan77CJ7]

You are in luck, the 1977 to 1979 CJs have a duel set of holes drilled and tapped into the bell housing to accept the Ford “butterfly” pattern (same as the T-150 ) and the CJ T-18 allowing you to use either one. The other bit of good news is that the frame for those years also has two sets of holes drilled and tapped to move the skid plate back to accept the T-18 Transmission . The swap is a close as you can get to a direct bolt in.

The CJ version was pretty hard to find and to some extent still is but as more and more CJs are being parted out (a moment of silence reflect on the loss please) they seem to pop up on Craig’s list with greater frequency. For the CJ version swap NO adaptors are required for 1977 to 1979 and other years can still be done with all OEM parts. I see them from a low of $300 to a high of $1100. Note: The CJ T-18 comes with a 1” adaptor to mate to the Dana 20 as part of the case.

The Ford version will bolt to the 1977 to 1979 bell housing using the T-150 holes however the stick out length of the front shaft is about an inch shorter than the CJ version necessitating a special pilot bushing which can be had from Advanced Adaptors or Novak Adaptors for less than $100. The custom bushing compensates for the shorter shaft. The best Ford T-18 candidates to adapt to a CJ are the two wheel drive versions but then an adaptor kit (includes a new tail shaft) is needed to mate to the Transfer Case and that can cost up to $500. I see used Ford T-18 transmissions around my area from $200 to $300; sometimes more. While changing out the rear shaft you should just do a complete rebuild so add $AMC 150 or so for a rebuild/small parts kit.

The other expense is going to be to shorten the rear drive line and make the front longer. Two ways to go, buy new drive lines (expensive) or have a shop modify the ones you have. (less expensive)


Also there is the low range gearing issue. The 1977 to 1979 CJ years are the coveted 6.32 version while sometime in 1976 and older they are 4.02. Ford offered different gearing too including the 6.32.

sry to hijack. but saddle i talked to the guys a FNjeep and was told my Transmission was 6.32 it was out of a 76' i couldnt say for sure the Transmission was OE but cuold they have put the t18a in late half cj builds?