Bell housing for sale

[jakeh937]

I have talked to a few people on the fourm and I believe I am in need of a T-150 Bell housing. I have a T-176 housing but would prefer to keep it original with the T-150 . It is getting mated to a T-18 Transmission . I have a few emails in with some people to see if they have some including JW jeep and Rob at Willies works. I thought I would just see if anyone here has a good spare one that they would want to sell. I figured its worth a try!

 

[JeffP]

I have talked to a few people on the fourm and I believe I am in need of a T-150 Bell housing. I have a T-176 housing but would prefer to keep it original with the T-150 . It is getting mated to a T-18 Transmission . I have a few emails in with some people to see if they have some including JW jeep and Rob at Willies works. I thought I would just see if anyone here has a good spare one that they would want to sell. I figured its worth a try!

Ford or Jeep T-18 ?
The T-150 has a Ford bolt pattern on the front. The Jeep T-18 does not. You can use any Ford T-18 but you will need an adapter for the Transfer Case .
Also pay attention to input shaft differences!

 

[jakeh937]

Ford or Jeep T-18 ?

The T-150 has a Ford bolt pattern on the front. The Jeep T-18 does not. You can use any Ford T-18 but you will need an adapter for the Transfer Case .

Also pay attention to input shaft differences!

I think mine is a jeep. Based from Novak the numbers on the cast match and it has the PTO cover on the drivers side. They say on the site the Ford has passenger PTO.


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[JeffP]

I think mine is a jeep. Based from Novak the numbers on the cast match and it has the PTO cover on the drivers side. They say on the site the Ford has passenger PTO.


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I’ve never had a T-176 so I have no clue what the pattern is.
There were long & short bell housings, plus some with a spacer / adapter between the Transmission and bell housing.
The T-150 uses the Ford hourglass pattern with no spacer however the input shaft is slightly longer than a Ford T-18 . So... you need a special pilot bushing and adapter for the Transfer Case using the Ford T-18 . It will NOT bolt directly to the Jeep T-18 .
Therefore, if looking for a T-150 bell housing to mate to a Jeep T-18 , it might not exist. Don’t take my word for it! There are others here who know more on what will interchange and what won’t.
If you need measurements I “should” have three versions.

 

[jakeh937]

I’ve never had a T-176 so I have no clue what the pattern is.

There were long & short bell housings, plus some with a spacer / adapter between the Transmission and bell housing.

The T-150 uses the Ford hourglass pattern with no spacer however the input shaft is slightly longer than a Ford T-18 . So... you need a special pilot bushing and adapter for the Transfer Case using the Ford T-18 . It will NOT bolt directly to the Jeep T-18 .

Therefore, if looking for a T-150 bell housing to mate to a Jeep T-18 , it might not exist. Don’t take my word for it! There are others here who know more on what will interchange and what won’t.

If you need measurements I “should” have three versions.

I'm a little confused on this whole subject but this is what I do believe.. my T-18 was in my jeep with a bell housing (unsure what one) when I pulled it I had a T-176 bell that I thought would work. Now it WILL work if I drill and tap holes. I had a donor jeep out back that had a T-150 in it. I pulled thatbell off and it was identical to the one I had but it was cracked and JB welded together. So I'm assuming, I hope I'm right, that the T-18 will work with a T-150 housing. As far as going to the Dana 20 , I know my T-18 does have an adaptor plate. It's about 1" and mates to it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I am assuming..


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[jp360cj]

I’ve never had a T-176 so I have no clue what the pattern is.
There were long & short bell housings, plus some with a spacer / adapter between the Transmission and bell housing.
The T-150 uses the Ford hourglass pattern with no spacer however the input shaft is slightly longer than a Ford T-18 . So... you need a special pilot bushing and adapter for the Transfer Case using the Ford T-18 . It will NOT bolt directly to the Jeep T-18 .
Therefore, if looking for a T-150 bell housing to mate to a Jeep T-18 , it might not exist. Don’t take my word for it! There are others here who know more on what will interchange and what won’t.
If you need measurements I “should” have three versions.

The T-176 and T-150 both use the Ford butterfly bellhousing pattern. The CJ T-150 bellhousing is drilled for both the T-150 and the T-18 pattern. So the T-150 bellhousing will work, it just uses different holes.

I'm a little confused on this whole subject but this is what I do believe.. my T-18 was in my jeep with a bell housing (unsure what one) when I pulled it I had a T-176 bell that I thought would work. Now it WILL work if I drill and tap holes. I had a donor jeep out back that had a T-150 in it. I pulled thatbell off and it was identical to the one I had but it was cracked and JB welded together. So I'm assuming, I hope I'm right, that the T-18 will work with a T-150 housing. As far as going to the Dana 20 , I know my T-18 does have an adaptor plate. It's about 1" and mates to it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I am assuming.

Sounds like a Jeep T-18 with the driver side PTO. Jeep used the 1" adapter plate from the factory to bolt the Dana 20 to the T-18 . Aftermarket adapters for Ford T-18 /T19 to Jeep Dana 20 also use a 1" adapter (they pretty much just copied the factory Jeep adapter).

What is your 1st gear ratio? The 76 (and maybe some 77s) came with the 4:1 1st gear T-18 like the 72-75 CJs, but used the same bellhousing (with no adapter) as the the 77-79 CJ T18s. The 77-79 CJ T18s are 6.32:1 1st gear. Full Size Jeeps also had a T-18 /Dana 20 just like the CJs, but with a longer input shaft.

 

[jp360cj]

forgot this link, it has a lot of good T-150 to T-18 swap info. Swapping a CJ T-18 into a CJ

 

[jakeh937]

The T-176 and T-150 both use the Ford butterfly bellhousing pattern. The CJ T-150 bellhousing is drilled for both the T-150 and the T-18 pattern. So the T-150 bellhousing will work, it just uses different holes.







Sounds like a Jeep T-18 with the driver side PTO. Jeep used the 1" adapter plate from the factory to bolt the Dana 20 to the T-18 . Aftermarket adapters for Ford T-18 /T19 to Jeep Dana 20 also use a 1" adapter (they pretty much just copied the factory Jeep adapter).



What is your 1st gear ratio? The 76 (and maybe some 77s) came with the 4:1 1st gear T-18 like the 72-75 CJs, but used the same bellhousing (with no adapter) as the the 77-79 CJ T18s. The 77-79 CJ T18s are 6.32:1 1st gear. Full Size Jeeps also had a T-18 /Dana 20 just like the CJs, but with a longer input shaft.

Mine is 79 so it has the 6.32:1


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[JeffP]

I'm a little confused on this whole subject but this is what I do believe.. my T-18 was in my jeep with a bell housing (unsure what one) when I pulled it I had a T-176 bell that I thought would work. Now it WILL work if I drill and tap holes. I had a donor jeep out back that had a T-150 in it. I pulled thatbell off and it was identical to the one I had but it was cracked and JB welded together. So I'm assuming, I hope I'm right, that the T-18 will work with a T-150 housing. As far as going to the Dana 20 , I know my T-18 does have an adaptor plate. It's about 1" and mates to it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I am assuming..


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I’m confused as well. If your T-150 housing bolts up to the T-18 , then it’s the Ford style... which explains the need for the Dana 20 adapter. I “think” the T-150 input shaft will fit the Ford T-18 but if it hasn’t been swapped, the Ford input shaft is slightly shorter. Either change the shaft or use a longer pilot bushing. In any case measure everything first!
Another option could be repairing the messed up T-150 housing you have. I suspect it’s possible. Post a pic of the damage.

 

[jakeh937]

I’m confused as well. If your T-150 housing bolts up to the T-18 , then it’s the Ford style... which explains the need for the Dana 20 adapter. I “think” the T-150 input shaft will fit the Ford T-18 but if it hasn’t been swapped, the Ford input shaft is slightly shorter. Either change the shaft or use a longer pilot bushing. In any case measure everything first!

Another option could be repairing the messed up T-150 housing you have. I suspect it’s possible. Post a pic of the damage.

Man now I'm really confused.. I'll have to measure the input shaft. As far as I know, it came original with the 4 speed so maybe the shaft is correct. From novaks site, they said there were 12 known versions of the jeep T-18 with the greatest differences being input shaft and gearing configs.


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[jp360cj]

I’m confused as well. If your T-150 housing bolts up to the T-18 , then it’s the Ford style... which explains the need for the Dana 20 adapter. I “think” the T-150 input shaft will fit the Ford T-18 but if it hasn’t been swapped, the Ford input shaft is slightly shorter. Either change the shaft or use a longer pilot bushing. In any case measure everything first!
Another option could be repairing the messed up T-150 housing you have. I suspect it’s possible. Post a pic of the damage.

Not true. Jeep used the same bellhousing for the T-18 and T-150 in the CJs. It has the pattern for both transmissions.

Jeep also used a 1" adapter between the T-18 and Dana 20 . I believe the Jeep and Ford T18s both have the same bolt pattern on the rear because the OEM Jeep T-18 /Dana 20 adapter can be used on a Ford T-18 .

I highly doubt the T-150 input shaft will swap over to any T-18 . A 4:1 T-18 input shaft won't even work on a 6.32 T-18 . However, the Ford and Jeep 6.32 input shafts will swap around. It's somewhat common to put a Ford input shaft into a FSJ T-18 in order to install it into a CJ.

But yes, Definitely measure the input shaft to verify is it's the short CJ shaft or a Ford shaft.

 

[JeffP]

Not true. Jeep used the same bellhousing for the T-18 and T-150 in the CJs. It has the pattern for both transmissions.

Jeep also used a 1" adapter between the T-18 and Dana 20 . I believe the Jeep and Ford T18s both have the same bolt pattern on the rear because the OEM Jeep T-18 /Dana 20 adapter can be used on a Ford T-18 .

I highly doubt the T-150 input shaft will swap over to any T-18 . A 4:1 T-18 input shaft won't even work on a 6.32 T-18 . However, the Ford and Jeep 6.32 input shafts will swap around. It's somewhat common to put a Ford input shaft into a FSJ T-18 in order to install it into a CJ.

But yes, Definitely measure the input shaft to verify is it's the short CJ shaft or a Ford shaft.

Don’t want to start WW3 but I can walk out to the shop and take pics of both a Jeep T-18 and Ford T-18 . They aren’t the same.
The Jeep T-18 uses a 1” thick adapter behind the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l bellhousing. At least up thru 1975 you couldn’t buy a Jeep with a AMC 304 and 4 speed... only behind the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l I6. Don’t know what happened after ‘75 other than the the T-150 had the Ford pattern.
Are we talking different eras?

 

[jp360cj]

Don’t want to start WW3 but I can walk out to the shop and take pics of both a Jeep T-18 and Ford T-18 . They aren’t the same.

The Jeep T-18 uses a 1” thick adapter behind the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l bellhousing. At least up thru 1975 you couldn’t buy a Jeep with a AMC 304 and 4 speed... only behind the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l I6. Don’t know what happened after ‘75 other than the the T-150 had the Ford pattern.

Are we talking different eras?

Yes we are talking different eras. The 76-79 CJ T-18 (which the OP has) doesn't have an adapter between the bellhousing and Transmission . Only the 72-75 uses a bellhousing adapter.

I thought you were talking a the 1" adapter between the Transmission and Transfer Case . That's the one that I *think* can be used on a Ford T-18 to mate it to a Dana 20 .





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[JeffP]

Man now I'm really confused.. I'll have to measure the input shaft. As far as I know, it came original with the 4 speed so maybe the shaft is correct. From novaks site, they said there were 12 known versions of the jeep T-18 with the greatest differences being input shaft and gearing configs.


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12??? I’ll be hiding under my bed till this is over?

 

[JeffP]

Yes we are talking different eras. The 76-79 CJ T-18 (which the OP has) doesn't have an adapter between the bellhousing and Transmission . Only the 72-75 uses a bellhousing adapter.

I thought you were talking a the 1" adapter between the Transmission and Transfer Case . That's the one that I *think* can be used on a Ford T-18 to mate it to a Dana 20 .





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Thanks! That makes a lot more sense! I thought I was having a relapse from the ‘60s lol. I’m not at all familiar with that “modern stuff” after 1975.

 

[jp360cj]

Thanks! That makes a lot more sense! I thought I was having a relapse from the ‘60s lol. I’m not at all familiar with that “modern stuff” after 1975.

Hopefully that breakthrough will clear up a lot of confusion for the OP.

OP, do you have the bellhousing off the Transmission ? If not, I think I still have the cracked bell housing that came on my T-18 and can snap a pic for you to see what it looks like. You'll see it has multiple patterns. If this were a couple months ago when I had my Transmission out, I could show you what my T-150 looks like. It's been bolted to both transmissions long enough that you can see the outline of each Transmission .

 

[jakeh937]

Hopefully that breakthrough will clear up a lot of confusion for the OP.



OP, do you have the bellhousing off the Transmission ? If not, I think I still have the cracked bell housing that came on my T-18 and can snap a pic for you to see what it looks like. You'll see it has multiple patterns. If this were a couple months ago when I had my Transmission out, I could show you what my T-150 looks like. It's been bolted to both transmissions long enough that you can see the outline of each Transmission .

All my questions have been cleared up. And I do have the bell housing. It's the T-150 one. If it would help I can grab a picture or 2 of it tonight


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[JeffP]

All my questions have been cleared up. And I do have the bell housing. It's the T-150 one. If it would help I can grab a picture or 2 of it tonight


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Glad you were able to resolve it. That one made my head hurt!

 

[jakeh937]

Glad you were able to resolve it. That one made my head hurt!

Hahaha mine too!


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