HEI Upgrade for 1977 CJ5 258

[Rescue Diver]

Rescue has made a FALSE CLAIM that there is no issue with AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l /HEI that the use of HEI is only a problem with the HEI/V8 AMC....... will add in my opionion.

I made no false claim, and 'm not saying it's not possible to have a problem with an HEI in an inline 6. What I'm saying is that IT"S A FACT THAT THE INLINE 6 DOESN'T HAVE A SOFT CAM GEAR LIKE THE V8 HAS!!!

In other words, any problems anyone might have with a six banger running an HEI is not because of that. It's because it wasn't set up and aligned correctly. Either because the gear they're putting on the HEI doesn't have the mounting hole at the correct height to mesh the gears properly, or maybe their oil pump shaft is a mm too long causing binding with the distributor shaft when it's tightened down, which may damage bearings and chew things up.

Fortunately my HEI that was a cheapy on ebay($58 new delivered) came with the correct gear already installed.

I've read all of the links I could find on this issue, so please quit posting them for me, because I have no intention of reading them again. I stumbled across this issue after buying my HEI two years ago, and I did the research because it had me worried. Turned out that the problem is only a problem if it's not set up correctly, but if it is put together right with the correct gear, there's no reason what so ever not to run an HEI in an AMC I6.

 

[MN CJ7]

Post #5

Installing an HEI with a hardened driven gear causes absolutely no problems for your cam gear in a AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l or any other inline 6 cylinder AMC motor. .

Post #21

I made no false claim, and 'm not saying it's not possible to have a problem with an HEI in an inline 6.

there's no reason what so ever not to run an HEI in an AMC I6.

IMO, Your False Claim
Absolutely no problem, seems pretty clear to me what was said...
Like I said, you said, and qutoed above from #5.... "absolutely no problems for your cam gear in a AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l "

After you drag me thru the mud on public forum, question my skills, multiple posts, multiple ways..... Rescue want to say its possible to have problems with AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l /HEI.

We went thru this same stuff 2 times before or so. Where you made same false claim AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l /HEI no issue. We posted the same material. Now it seems you want to admit/agree there are some issues.

I look at the HEI this way in regards to helpers/posters on forums. Want to help a jeeper with the HEI great..... give them the good, the bad, the alternatives and let them make a good choice and know how to make sure they are safe....

There are better alternatives, safe alternatives, so why use and recommend the HEI for AMC so blindly. Just a disservice to the Forum users that come here online for help...

I have $1500 in my AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l engine, $1000 Borla Exhaust/header, $300 Weber Carb, NOS Jeep 2 Barrel Intake, $300 Kevlar Clutch. I would be very pissed after making my jeep CJ work/look/run like new with hours of my hand work to fail because I follwed your post #5 and used a HEI/AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l blindly and put ground up metal thru my new rebuild.....

Rescue, DO NOT WANT TO READ THE LINKS PROVIDED.....
That is all the internet has is reading, look at some pics, and look at some video on occations. Maybe you should read them again..... you have a little background knowledge since your work and maybe some more of it will sink in.....Maybe some of the 15-16 short commings, faults, issues with HEI/AMC I listed from memory will sink in more and make better sense for you.....

I trust forum readers will read the HEI ISSUE links,

Readers will, test drill gear, test for fitment, verify the all tooooo common tons of advance, 55-65deg, is corrected. Many will stay with the DuraSpark Dist/Modual, aux ground it properly, computer CJs will learn to fix the computer distributor by adding advance, and the smart ones will take the jump and get a MSD for $100

Will also say, I see a CJ with HEI for sale.... major cautions for me and would most likely make me walk for fear of ground metal in the engine. There is no real good way of taking care of the AMC Engine after it gets a cam gear chewed up by hardened or faulty HEI dist, at some point in the life of engien with the use of a hei.


May I suggest you/Rescue use a magnet in your engine drain plug.
This will gather all metalic metal from your engine..... great thing to do for a new engine or rebuild.... Lot easier to monitor than putting your oil thru a filter looking for debree. I did the same for my Transmission , transf case, and sometime in future will most likely do magnets for both pumpkins. Readers that have a HEI this is prob a good suggestion for you also....

Thanks for reading here on Jeep-CJ.com.
HEI.... be well read and carefull.... I think there are better options...

Read this...from post #3
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/ignition/jeep/jeep08.html
JeepHammer review of Jeep Ignitions Options

 

[Rescue Diver]

Post #5


Post #21


IMO, Your False Claim
Absolutely no problem, seems pretty clear to me what was said...
Like I said, you said, and qutoed above from #5.... "absolutely no problems for your cam gear in a AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l "

After you drag me thru the mud on public forum, question my skills, multiple posts, multiple ways..... Rescue want to say its possible to have problems with AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l /HEI.

We went thru this same stuff 2 times before or so. Where you made same false claim AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l /HEI no issue. We posted the same material. Now it seems you want to admit/agree there are some issues.

I look at the HEI this way in regards to helpers/posters on forums. Want to help a jeeper with the HEI great..... give them the good, the bad, the alternatives and let them make a good choice and know how to make sure they are safe....

There are better alternatives, safe alternatives, so why use and recommend the HEI for AMC so blindly. Just a disservice to the Forum users that come here online for help...

I have $1500 in my AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l engine, $1000 Borla Exhaust/header, $300 Weber Carb, NOS Jeep 2 Barrel Intake, $300 Kevlar Clutch. I would be very pissed after making my jeep CJ work/look/run like new with hours of my hand work to fail because I follwed your post #5 and used a HEI/AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l blindly and put ground up metal thru my new rebuild.....

Rescue, DO NOT WANT TO READ THE LINKS PROVIDED.....
That is all the internet has is reading, look at some pics, and look at some video on occations. Maybe you should read them again..... you have a little background knowledge since your work and maybe some more of it will sink in.....Maybe some of the 15-16 short commings, faults, issues with HEI/AMC I listed from memory will sink in more and make better sense for you.....

I trust forum readers will read the HEI ISSUE links,

Readers will, test drill gear, test for fitment, verify the all tooooo common tons of advance, 55-65deg, is corrected. Many will stay with the DuraSpark Dist/Modual, aux ground it properly, computer CJs will learn to fix the computer distributor by adding advance, and the smart ones will take the jump and get a MSD for $100

Will also say, I see a CJ with HEI for sale.... major cautions for me and would most likely make me walk for fear of ground metal in the engine. There is no real good way of taking care of the AMC Engine after it gets a cam gear chewed up by hardened or faulty HEI dist, at some point in the life of engien with the use of a hei.


May I suggest you/Rescue use a magnet in your engine drain plug.
This will gather all metalic metal from your engine..... great thing to do for a new engine or rebuild.... Lot easier to monitor than putting your oil thru a filter looking for debree. I did the same for my Transmission , transf case, and sometime in future will most likely do magnets for both pumpkins. Readers that have a HEI this is prob a good suggestion for you also....

Thanks for reading here on Jeep-CJ.com.
HEI.... be well read and carefull.... I think there are better options...

Read this...from post #3
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/ignition/jeep/jeep08.html
JeepHammer review of Jeep Ignitions Options

Oh My God I can't believe this is still going on. You claimed repeatedly as did many other sites that the soft gear problem was an issue for both the 6 and 8. My CORRECT claim was that there is no soft gear issue what so ever with the 6. That's a fact.

You'll have to forgive me for making the assumtion that people would know that any combination of anything can have a problem if it's not set up correctly.

Anyone having a problem with an HEI in an AMC inline 6 either used the wrong gear that's not the correct length to mech in the middle of the cam gear when setting it up themselves, or the company they bought their distributor from used the wrong gear.

The FACT that my gear shows no sign of wear and actually looks brand new after more than 20k miles PROVES that this combination is fine.

Or are you saying I'm lying about what I have???????

Reminds me of a guy on here insisting that a 4.0 head wouldn't work on a AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l , and he had the gaul to say that to all of us on here that are driving this combo every single day without any problems! The same guy also said the HEI doesn't have an adjustable vacuum advance, right after I adjusted mine with an allen wrench. I ultimately had to post a picture of my vacuum advance with the allen wrench in it. Geeeeesh!

And he never appologized for calling me a liar. :roll:

 

[Rescue Diver]

May I suggest you/Rescue use a magnet in your engine drain plug.
This will gather all metalic metal from your engine..... great thing to do for a new engine or rebuild.... Lot easier to monitor than putting your oil thru a filter looking for debree. I did the same for my Transmission , transf case, and sometime in future will most likely do magnets for both pumpkins. Readers that have a HEI this is prob a good suggestion for you also....

MN, I have a magnetic drain plug. No metal. I occasionally filter my oil through a strainer as well. No metal. What more can I say???

I'm sorry that my correctly set up HEI is throwing a wrench in your theory, but you are MORE THAN WELCOME to come inspect what I have if you doubt my word. MN is only a 6 hour drive from KC.

 

[Rescue Diver]

After you drag me thru the mud on public forum, question my skills, multiple posts, multiple ways..... Rescue want to say its possible to have problems with AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l /HEI.

How did I drag you through the mud???

If you consider defending my integrity with simple facts when I'm called a liar, "Dragging you through the mud" then you'll just have to get used to it, because I don't like being called a liar in a public forum. I've stated what I have, and it works just fine. I seriously am getting the opinion that some on here have a vested interest in selling upgrades for the duraspark, while others just won't be happy until everyone realizes how brilliant they are and want to use the exact same setup as them.

I honestly don't care what distributor people use. They're all fine for the job when set up right. I'm just pointing out false claims when I see them based on actual experience with the actual parts that some say won't work.

 

[coldair]

 

[CJ]

I have less problems with my nieces and nephews than I do with some adults on this site. They at least know when to stop their useless arguments of which neither of them will ever win, and they are only nine and eleven years old!

Now I have to close another thread started by a new member because of petty bickering and members not knowing when to let a beat to death topic go!

Pathetic!

bigposer, I apologize on behalf of Jeep-CJ.com for letting you thread getting out of hand.