T19 Transmission Upgrade has begun

[Turbogus]

Bummer for me as I think my First Second Clutch sleeve is going out from what I could see.

 

[hole]

Turbogus, give Novak a call, they have new and good used parts for sale

 

[Turbogus]

Good to know, also I just ran into an old friend on this forum so he may have local resources.

 

[NorthwestCJer]

I also really like the T19, I have made this swap a few times myself in CJ's.. But I find this Transmission extremely easy to find and infact Novak persuaded me towards it years ago. 1980's Ford trucks with manual Transmission and 300's/302/351's had 5-1 first gear T19's. Extremely easy vehicle to find in junk yards.
The 6:32 version was most common in IH vehicles, but the input shafts are longer.

They are a great fit in any jeep.

Nice Job

 

[Turbogus]

My other rig an '81 Ford van (Econoline AMC 150 ) has a really odd RUG Transmission . It's a 3+1 Overdrive with a stick coming out of the floor like a pickup. Apparently they only used them a couple of years, I know of only one other guy with this configuration.

 

[hole]

Yesterday we got the 8 back together, all in all it took about 6 hours. Started her up in neutral, not a lick of noise Then I pushed in the clutch and the squealing began . Brand new Premium (Luk) Clutch kit from Napa. The throwout bearing looked greased, but it had a zerk fitting so we gave it 2 pumps from the grease gun and grease started oozing out. Back to squealing... I start pushing the clutch in and out for about 30 seconds and my buddy said it sounded quieter to him, so I drove it around the lot behind the shop shifting through gears, put it in low range and make a few more laps constantly shifting up and down through the gears. At most I drove it for about 5 min and by the end the noise was almost gone. I would've driven some more but the rear diff had already been drained for the locker install so I'll have to wait until next weekend to see if this squealing throwout bearing is a fluke or not. Even if it never makes another peep it'll be in the back of my mind every time I hop in the darn thing. I'm very much inclined to pull it and exchange it. Please tell me that some of you have had this happen before and it all worked out fine in the end

 

[Torxhead]

Having a throwout bearing with a zerk fitting is a new one on me. Like it is supposed to be a regular maintaince item. Congrats on doing all that work in a relativly short period, usually life gets in the way and even the simple jobs take forever.Squealing is like a fan belt but I am sure that is the first thing you checked. I had a wierd experience similar to yours when I put in my T-18 and 4 to 1 Transfer Case that turned out to be the flywheel rubbing against the bell housing dust cover. Did have to pull the tranny out again though searching for the issue.

 

[hole]

Thanks Torx, we have pretty much narrowed it down to the throwout as the noise starts the second the clutch peddle is depressed and is 100% gone with the clutch peddle up. What had me confused was that the noise is going away after 5 min or so. Having had 24 hours to ponder this dilemma, I'm wondering if it's possible to have over greased the bearing and it's been dragging along the forks of the pressure plate. Of course, dropping the Transmission again will tell for sure whats happening. I'm still leaning towards putting some miles on it since the noise is almost gone... We'll see, if my buddy can procure a Transmission jack that will allow us to pull Transmission and Transfer Case together I could be easily talked into pulling it out for a look see

 

[HackFabrication]

My other rig an '81 Ford van (Econoline 150) has a really odd RUG trans. It's a 3+1 overdrive with a stick coming out of the floor like a pickup. Apparently they only used them a couple of years, I know of only one other guy with this configuration.

Probably had this in it: http://www.advanceadapters.com/tech-vault/ford-tc-overdive-transmission/

My 1977 Dodge B100 van with the 318 V8 had the A-833 Overdrive 4 speed manual Transmission . Gear shift lever right next to the driver's seat on the floor.

 

[Turbogus]

It's been a couple of years since I've been under it but it definitely had the side mount shifter (not Top Loader) that I learned when Ford obsoleted it they went so far as to destroy the dies, according to a former Ford factory employee I had spoken with. The side of the case reads RUG/RAB. When the shift and linkage wore out we had to graft on a Hurst Comp. Plus shifter and that's what I've been using since.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

Did you pre-oil the pilot bearing in the flywheel?
GREAT info here and thanks for all the detail!
You will be change'n R&P next---Trust me, LOL
The 4:1 t'case is one of my best mods ever, for my '7'.
LG

 

[hole]

Yes oiled pilot bushing, lightly greased splines and input bearing retainer, clutch hub faces Transmission . Everything went together without too much resistance, IE Transmission and t- case cases all came together just by pushing and wiggling at the same time. Nothing was forced .

 

[hole]

Got the Aussie locker in yesterday so a more thorough test drive was had. When I first fired her up and pushed the clutch in there was faint noise still, but it is completely gone now after a few miles of driving . Still have a few odds and ends to finish, like drill the new hole and fill the old one for Transmission cover. Looking forward to driving her to work the next few weeks to make sure all's well before our trip to Panamint Valley next month

 

[Torxhead]

Sounds like that throwout bearing just needed a little "Breaking in". Those Transmission covers can easily be made with a little sheet metal. a drill motor, and tin snips. Hope your Panamint Valley trip works, for me the Mojave desert doesn't seem to cool off until around the last weekend in October. You will probably be using those low gears heading through the South Park narrows which is a lot of fun to the Briggs Cabin, and in a few spots up Golar Wash.

 

[hole]

My plan on the Transmission cover was to drill the new hole slightly larger than the original with a hole saw, then weld it up. At least thats the plan on paper. I need to do it soon, because driving around without it on 100* days adds a furnace blast effect of heat into the cab. Also a fair amount of drivetrain noise too. It seems all my noise is coming from the Aussie locker clacking along around corners and such, but after doing 3 major drivetrain components any noise has me questioning my rebuild skills . As some of you had mentioned, I will need to re learn driving the old girl, imparticular going around corners .
A few miles from me is a bunch of abandoned hillside lots that had the pads graded but never built on. The slopes from lot to lot are quite steep and very tire rutted. Before the front locker, I could not make it up the steepest hill, but after it, got up with a little fight. So I was excited to see how she would do after all the changes. Just to see how the new low gears would do I put it in low 1st and decided to see if it would idle up the hill. Not one cough, bog, dip in rpms, she just purred up the hill. There wasnt enough cleaner in the world to wipe the smile off my face at that moment. It was a good day Tater, a good day indeed

 

[gert]

sweet, I have the Lomax gears as well, they are so beautifully made I left them out on the counter for a few weeks before I rebuilt my Tcase, absolutely love the Chrysler blue

 

[hole]

Well, I've put just shy of 500 miles on since the swap and all seems well. The Transmission shifts great, Transfer Case is amazing off road and aside from the clacking noise going around corners the Aussie locker works very well too. Driving differences between transmissions is huge. On paper I'm only turning 2100+/- at 65mph but it sounds like the engine is screaming compared to 65 with the T-5 , and the split between 3rd and 4th on the T19 is huge. So much so that if I'm on a steep grade I have to stay in 3rd until the road flattens out some. I kinda knew before doing this swap these conditions were likely, and will only get better/worse when the next set of shoes(32's) go on. I might have to start saving for a gear upgrade Still have a couple loose ends to do before trip, but all is looking good!

 

[Torxhead]

Interesting, have you driven it up the Cajon Pass to test the heavier gear box? With my rig, AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l ,fi,4:10s, and 35s, I have to go into 3rd to climb up highway 38 to the back side of Big Bear. I am also at around 2800 at 60 mph on the freeway, on paper I think it is around 2600.

 

[hole]

Went up Cajon as far as Cleghorn for a shake down run, no issues on the 1st part of the grade. I guess its time to get a working tachometer

 

[Torxhead]

Thanks for that, coming up with the right tire and gear combo can be a tough choice as mine is a bit low for the freeway. For my tach I just use the one on my volt/ohm meter.