What's up with the WRANGLER?

[Hedgehog]

Was, am, occasionally glad to be ....... relaxed, was getting the joke from the beginning

"Yankee" "Texas" "Cult" Love that!

I live in Southern Arizona, does that mean I can callit "the War of Northern Agression"?

 

[IOPort51]

Was, am, occasionally glad to be ....... relaxed, was getting the joke from the beginning

"Yankee" "Texas" "Cult" Love that!

I live in Southern Arizona, does that mean I can callit "the War of Northern Agression"?

That works for us over in the republic.

 

[007]

Speaking of wranglers I am possibily getting a 97 for 400 bucks.

I was gonna ask if the tub was for sale but after this thread I'm afraid to ask and will just settle for rust and Bondo.


HA!


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[ThisGuyUKnow]

I was gonna ask if the tub was for sale but after this thread I'm afraid to ask and will just settle for rust and Bondo.


HA!


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Tj tub on a cj?

 

[mtnwhlr]

Tj tub on a cj?

You need a Yj tub. Thats where I'm headed Along with the 4.0 and FI and the Transmission and breaks.

 

[007]

Oops. I read 87 not 97. My bad. Joke wasted.


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[SlowPocono]

 

[jdcaples]

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Though the streams are swollen
Keep them doggies rollin',
Rawhide

 

[jdulmer]

Whaaat the heck?! That's funny...



"Libertatem Aut Mortem"

 

[mtnwhlr]

I was wondering how long it would take but it has now gone off topic.

 

[BusaDave9]

What's up with the Wrangler?
Here's my take:
The jeeps from Willis to CJ were all made for off-road. They were short wheelbase and relatively high. They were great off road but not so good on the highway. In the '80s there were a lot of roll-overs. The YJ, the first Wrangler, was designed to improve the highway stability issues. It was lower and wider. The suspension was improved for street use. It had track bars to prevent side to side flex.
These changes did improve the Jeeps stability on the highway but they also made this first Wrangler worse off the road. This is why hard core off-roaders didn't like the YJ Wrangler. They also changed to rectangular head lights only because they were cool in the '80s and most cars had them. Those headlights were another reason jeepers didn't like the YJ.
With all the criticism the Wrangler was later improved for off-road use. The TJ had coil springs and was better on road and off. Then the JK came out and was even better yet. (yes, I'm ignoring axle tubes and a couple other areas)
In the mean time the YJ has been getting old. People realized that with a few mods "old square eyes" can be a damn good off-roader. Actually they can be bought very cheaply and can be easily turned into a hard core off-roader. For that reason I think the hatred of the Wranglers has been subsiding. It was strongest in the late '80s.

 

[mtnwhlr]

What's up with the Wrangler?
Here's my take:
The jeeps from Willis to CJ were all made for off-road. They were short wheelbase and relatively high. They were great off road but not so good on the highway. In the '80s there were a lot of roll-overs. The YJ, the first Wrangler, was designed to improve the highway stability issues. It was lower and wider. The suspension was improved for street use. It had track bars to prevent side to side flex.
These changes did improve the Jeeps stability on the highway but they also made this first Wrangler worse off the road. This is why hard core off-roaders didn't like the YJ Wrangler. They also changed to rectangular head lights only because they were cool in the '80s and most cars had them. Those headlights were another reason jeepers didn't like the YJ.
With all the criticism the Wrangler was later improved for off-road use. The TJ had coil springs and was better on road and off. Then the JK came out and was even better yet. (yes, I'm ignoring axle tubes and a couple other areas)
In the mean time the YJ has been getting old. People realized that with a few mods "old square eyes" can be a damn good off-roader. Actually they can be bought very cheaply and can be easily turned into a hard core off-roader. For that reason I think the hatred of the Wranglers has been subsiding. It was strongest in the late '80s.

Very well said

 

[gr8dain]

Not all CJs were short wheelbase.


Dain

 

[mtnwhlr]

Not all CJs were short wheelbase.


Dain

You are right the CJ7 isn't a short wheel base and with the widetrac axles it drives as well as the Cherokee and Wranglers. That is why I own one.

 

[Hedgehog]

WARNING, most of the following will be over the top, even ridiculous in places, there might be a joke or two in there somewhere.......

Since real Jeeps have a hump in the door you are right the CJ6 had a longer wheel base than the CJ5 . There are some vehicles that are similar to Jeeps, but have wider wheel bases and taller body tubs and car like square doors, those would be the CJ7 and CJ8 while looking very much like a true Jeep but were more civilized than the very similar Jeep. These were really just a way to soften up the public to accept the fact that it was no longer acceptable to drive truly off road, then the true jeep died, almost over night many roads were closed and the media flooded us with propaganda related to how awful it was for humans to enjoy the great out doors. The trend has grown to the point where only select trails are acceptable to drive on. Now the trend is to push us to believe that we shouldn't drive our few remaining CJ's on the road and accept that the proper place for them is on closely regulated off road parks and play grounds. I expect in just a few short years even those places will disappear leaving us with soft, bucket seats, carpets, radios and an electric motor in our once great off road heritages. By then nobody will remember what we've lost as a people.........

 

[TheDirtyCJ]

I think the hating is a result of stereotyping. As this model line(cj - wrangler) has morphed and changed, the vehicles have become more comfortable to drive and broadened the owner base(makes sense in order to sell more vehicles). Many of the newer "jeep" drivers today do not put the time/work/effort into their vehicles that us CJ owners have to. There is a lack of "heart" for their vehicle. We assume if we see a newer "jeep" that they are one of these "new jeep" owners. They paid their money, got the latest Quadratec catatlog and ordered another $5,000 worth of bolt ons to "customize" it and now they have their jeep that might see 10 miles of dirt roads a year.

No offense Suz, but I see a lot of women in four door JKs in the summer time with all the windows rolled up, the windows tinted and the A/C cranked. These are the ones that I wave to but have no clue what I am waving at. This is complete lack of the Jeep Spirit!

I waved at a TJ this weekend that had the Jeep Spirit - no doors, banged up jeep and the guy gave me a hearty wave.

I know y'all round here don't agree with me but I will wave to Wranglers as long as they are manufactured. I desire to keep the Jeep Spirit alive. Its not about what you drive, its what's in your heart.

Luv this post!!!!

 

[Petescj]

You are right the CJ7 isn't a short wheel base and with the widetrac axles it drives as well as the Cherokee and Wranglers. That is why I own one.

I believe he was referring to the Scrambler which has a wheelbase of 103.5 in. Your CJ7 is 93.5 in. and therefore still SWB.

 

[gutthans]

Unfortunately, any product that gets popular over time becomes morphed for the masses (wannabees and havtoos). You can easily see that in the 240Z, Mustang, Chevelle, and all the other, originally purpose built cars.

BTW, did you know WHY? the Corvette Coupe got the in-roof doors in '63 - '64? Remember the Beehive Hairdoos? A GM exec's wife complained (reliable legend has it)that the Coupe would mess up her hair...and a redesign was born

You can see it in online gaming (WarCraft comes to mind). So it's no surprise that out of the 3 different Jeep vehicles produced for Uncle Sam during the war, much like the H1 Hummer, it has morphed into a higly saleable status product.

Not the point Not everyone can go buy a Willys or a CJ...Not everyone has the mad skills that farmers, hillbillys, and rednecks take for granted. I don't care if your Jeep was refitted by 4WD, Quadratec, Billy Bob, or in your own garage. Truth be told, lemme see one of you say you DON'T have something from 4WD or Quadratec or Bestop on your rig (yea maybe there's one or two of you crazy SOB's like that, but you had it on there at some point before you 'improved' it).

It's an attitude and respect kind of thing I think. Know your place in the line-up, know your limitations, and show respect for those who have well earned it by experience and effort.

 

[Posi]

Truth be told, lemme see one of you say you DON'T have something from 4WD or Quadratec or Bestop on your rig (yea maybe there's one or two of you crazy SOB's like that,

Slowly raises hand.....

 

[Suz]

Cjs and wranglers are very different but if they didn't build them with the extra luxuries then the "jeep life" very well may have died out. And as far as the "real jeep" thing go's sorry but a cj isn't anymore of a jeep than a yj or a tj. Cjs didn't fight in any wars so what makes it a "real jeep". Cause it doesn't have the comforts the wranglers have. So if you buy a newer 4x4 truck does that not make it a real truck because it has more luxuries. Also they did Cary the culture of the older jeeps with them. They all have the 7 grill slots. As long as they wave there good in my opinion

You're a brave man. I applaud you.

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