Are these used axles beyond recovery?

[Lumpy Grits]

6 cyl CJ's with the T-5 , were 2:73 or 3:31 in Ca.
I run 4:88 and never had a strength issue.
The pinion size difference ain't much.
T-18 1st, is non-synco too.
The adapter is not the only issue. You have to get a new cluch disc also, IIRC.
Good info and products here.
AdvanceAdapters.com | Engine & Transmission Conversion Adapters - Advance Adapters
LG

 

[Flex BT]

So I went to NAPA today to get the new pilot bushing. They told me they didn't have one for my engine, just a pilot bearing. They said they had a pilot bushing for the 4 cylinder. The girl at the counter didn't seem to be very confident in what she was doing so after she gave up I downloaded the NAPA app and looked for it myself. I found part number BRG B656 which says on the napa app that it fits my jeep with the 6-cyl and looks like the correct part. The bushing I found and bearing that they found have different dimensions:

Pilot bushing:
Width: .75
Outside diameter: 1.0935
Inside: .5935

Pilot bearing:
Width:.72
Outside: 1.055
Inside: .613

Have bushings been replaced by bearings? Do I have the right dimensions?

 

[Lumpy Grits]

I would have talked to the store mgr.
FWIW: I have the bearing in mine. Do'n good for almost 10yrs now.
Make sure you install the bearing in the correct direction as mine had a little seal outboard. Also, add a finger of grease after the install.
LG

 

[Flex BT]

I ordered a new bushing from Novak to make sure I had the right one. Holy geez I had a rough time getting the Transmission / xfer case out as a single unit. Next time I'll just separate them and drain the fluid. When tilted forward some oil came out of the front of the Transmission . Is that a broken seal or does it leak out there if tilted forward far enough?

The old pilot bushing did have a slight egg shape to it. definitely some more wiggle than the new one but nothing ground breaking.

I took pictures of the flywheel, clutch and pressure plate. I ran out of time for reassembly today and I was thinking I should show yall the pictures anyways to tell me if you recommend new parts or whatever.

Old bushing

 

[Lumpy Grits]

You must have that flywheel resurfaced, before you go any farther.
Take your new p'bearing and put it in a cup of clean engine oil to soak till install.
Take a 1/2"X1/2" rag and wet with engine oil, and push in behind the p'bearing
after install.
Do not strike the p'bearing directly, with a hammer. Use a wood dowel.
LG

 

[mtnwhlr]

If it was me I would replace the clutch and as LG said get the flywheel turned. You have it all apart don't put old parts back in unless you like taking it all apart. IMO

 

[Hedgehog]

It might seem silly but make sure the disk is on correctly, happens ALL the time. They are usually marked, some more clearly than others. The one you have is marked "Flywheel Side"

It's probably the quality of the picture, but are some of the washers for the flywheel bolts missing?

How did you remove the old bushing? Machine tolerances are tight, if you can see that the bushing is out of round it's deffinately time for the trash heap.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

There were no washers as OEM on my flywheel.
LG

 

[Flex BT]

They didn't have washers or anything and they are stuck on there but good. No luck with my socket wrench + a hammer or an electric impact driver. I sprayed them with liquid wrench and am currently waiting for some nice weather to resume work. Going to try a pneumatic impact driver. If that doesn't work I'm scared of what might happen next.

I'm sure the clutch was on the right way, I took note of the marking. Thanks for the idea though.

Any recommendations on a make/model of clutch to get?

 

[Lumpy Grits]

More power-Scotty--
Your ele impact ain't got the 'beans' needed.
LG

 

[Neuner]

No luck with my socket wrench + a hammer or an electric impact driver. I sprayed them with liquid wrench and am currently waiting for some nice weather to resume work. Going to try a pneumatic impact driver. If that doesn't work I'm scared of what might happen next.

Interesting reading this since I went through the same things recently. Pilot Bushings/Bearings a lot different no matter where I went. Head scratcher for everyone I spoke with. Took too long to find the right one for mine. Took it seriously after reading how important of an item it is for the tranny's longevity on Novak.

Make sure to use an Impact Wrench instead of an Impact Driver. Will have more power. After messing with mine like you did, I borrowed a neighbors electric one that had closer to 300 ft*lbs of torgue. It didn't like it but it finally got them loose.

 

[mtnwhlr]

There were no washers as OEM on my flywheel.
LG

I've done a few and have never seen washers.

 

[Hedgehog]

It might seem silly but make sure the disk is on correctly, happens ALL the time. They are usually marked, some more clearly than others. The one you have is marked "Flywheel Side"

It's probably the quality of the picture, but are some of the washers for the flywheel bolts missing?

How did you remove the old bushing? Machine tolerances are tight, if you can see that the bushing is out of round it's deffinately time for the trash heap.

I never said there were or should be washers, but the picture of the flywheel made it look like there were washers on some or at least one bolt. Granted my question was worded bit backward. There shouldn't be washers on the flywheel bolts, at least I have never seen any.

 

[Flex BT]

Those were lines from the sockets where I attempted to remove them. Still haven't had good weather / no work to get back to it. I'll update when it's all back together.

 

[Flex BT]

So I finally got the flywheel off. For future reference, a large diameter air hose on your compressor will make a BIG difference in performance of an impact wrench.

Got the flywheel resurfaced at NAPA machine and had a new ring gear put on. The clutch and pressure plate still looked almost new so I kept them on. So with a new pilot bushing and fresh flywheel I put the thing back together. The problem persists. My heart broke. This could mean a few things:

The clutch and / or pressure plate are to blame. I don't believe this is the case since I had the same problem with a whole different set. I think the next thing I'm going to be looking at is either putting in new gears or new axles, then a CV drive shaft, or possibly just buying a Tom Woods CV drive shaft and seeing if the bad angle I have in the drive shaft could be causing the issues. I'm just at a loss.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

How much end slop/play did you have in the tranny input shaft?
It would have been best, if you had gone with a new clutch set up.
LG

 

[Hedgehog]

Agreed, a mistake for many reasons. The clutch, in any vehicle, is a bad place to attempt to save money. At least you will be good at removing the Transmission before you are done.

 

[Flex BT]

It was a new clutch with less than 500 miles on it, the problem happened with the new and old clutch. Don't you also think if it was the clutch would be having this problem all gears?

 

[Hedgehog]

Gotta go back and re-read and have some place to be very soon. If I remember it was a clutch chatter. If so no not in all gears, well if you started from a dead stop in all gears yes. I've written this many times and have been ignored many times. My Jeep guy thinks there is a problem with some new clutch pressure plates. He's seen more and more chattering problems with new clutches recently. He thinks there is inconsistent spring pressure allowing the clutch to vibrate.

 

[huntingbigun]

Yes, New motor and trans. mounts. It shakes when power is being applied from a stop and the clutch pedal is released.

Does it do it in Low range using 2 or 3rd as takeoff gear or only in 1st gear 2 wheel drive.