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67 cj5,225 Dauntless, D30,chrome molies, detroit, D44, full floating detroit, custom steering, disc all the way around,2 inch lift on 31s, armored up
70 cj6 4 inch lift
67 cj5,225 Dauntless, D30,chrome molies, detroit, D44, full floating detroit, custom steering, disc all the way around,2 inch lift on 31s, armored up
70 cj6 4 inch lift
Just found a good Nt with all hardware needed fir $100. He also has a Dana 300 and T-18 6.32 combo in great condition for possibly $400. The Dana 30nt has 4:10. Which way should I go? Find 4:88 for the 30? Will the 4:88 in my front work on the new nt 30?
unless you want to go searching for a new rear axle, stay away from that Dana 300 . the D 18 you have is legendary for strength especially the one ofered behind the V6, it is a D18 in a Dana 20 case. No One ever complains about the strength of a D18 tcase. it has a 2.46 low which is good enough considering the low 1st gears the old trannies had.
I would grab the Dana 30 , you are going have it gone through anyway so just have it regeared. Not having a axle rebuilt during a Jeep rebuild is asking for trouble. it needs to be in the budget, to many old bearings and stuff that should be replaced. while they are in ther just have them swap the gears. Gears are cheap.
as far as the gears in the 27 working in the 30, I do not know, I know the big change from the 25 to the 27 was amount of bolts holding the ring gear. and I know the 27 and 30 use the same size gears, but if they will fit, I do not know.
t14, v6 oddfire, stock. Late 60' cj5 (no title so haven't verified yet) late 40's Willy's jeep cab. Dana 44 rear and 30's front. 4.88 gears. Drum brakes. No power steering. Don't know much else yet. Haven't tore into it too much.
67 cj5,225 Dauntless, D30,chrome molies, detroit, D44, full floating detroit, custom steering, disc all the way around,2 inch lift on 31s, armored up
70 cj6 4 inch lift
t14, v6 oddfire, stock. Late 60' cj5 (no title so haven't verified yet) late 40's Willy's jeep cab. Dana 44 rear and 30's front. 4.88 gears. Drum brakes. No power steering. Don't know much else yet. Haven't tore into it too much.
t14, v6 oddfire, stock. Late 60' cj5 (no title so haven't verified yet) late 40's Willy's jeep cab. Dana 44 rear and 30's front. 4.88 gears. Drum brakes. No power steering. Don't know much else yet. Haven't tore into it too much.
Not today...lol . Nut I think he wants to sell them together. Obviously the Dana 300 isn't worth much? Is $400 too mu h for the package? He had $1500to on the rebuild of both when he did it five years ago. Will the T-18 bolt right up to my d18?
67 cj5,225 Dauntless, D30,chrome molies, detroit, D44, full floating detroit, custom steering, disc all the way around,2 inch lift on 31s, armored up
70 cj6 4 inch lift
One post you want to save money, next you want to spend it
leave that tcase and traany alone. You only need the axle.
Stick to the plan. You can spend thousands and be as.desperate to.sell stuff just like him if you start buying good deals till you are broke
t14, v6 oddfire, stock. Late 60' cj5 (no title so haven't verified yet) late 40's Willy's jeep cab. Dana 44 rear and 30's front. 4.88 gears. Drum brakes. No power steering. Don't know much else yet. Haven't tore into it too much.
Day started out good.... then I started up the 225 after hooking up a makeshift gas tank and filter. Started right up like the guy said it would, but it has a definite knock, and it sounds like a crank bearing. Sound like a lifter tick but more noticeable. Definitely not exhaust. I got underneath with a long skinny funnel backwards to the oil pan and it is pretty loud. Not sure which direction to go now... any suggestions anyone? lol. maybe I'll just start a new thread on the Dauntless Buick 225 V6 , or v8 swap, or inline 6 swap....
Day started out good.... then I started up the 225 after hooking up a makeshift gas tank and filter. Started right up like the guy said it would, but it has a definite knock, and it sounds like a crank bearing. Sound like a lifter tick but more noticeable. Definitely not exhaust. I got underneath with a long skinny funnel backwards to the oil pan and it is pretty loud. Not sure which direction to go now... any suggestions anyone? lol. maybe I'll just start a new thread on the Dauntless Buick 225 V6 , or v8 swap, or inline 6 swap....
Why do you instantly think engine swap? If yours does have problems rebuilding what you have may be the smartest thing to do, you end up with a freash engine instead of a crapshoot replacement motor that cost more money to adapt in then rebuilding whats there. Of coarse you will need to do some more recon on the motor to know what it needs but that's a desireable engine to have so don't throw the towel in yet.
67 cj5,225 Dauntless, D30,chrome molies, detroit, D44, full floating detroit, custom steering, disc all the way around,2 inch lift on 31s, armored up
70 cj6 4 inch lift
and if you decide to not redo that Dauntless Buick 225 V6 there will be a huge line of guys wanting to buy it
I cannot figure you out, you will not pay for a all inclusive kit for breaks because you want to save money, but you will try to swap a tranny, which means adapters and new drive shafts, now you want to squeeze a long motor into a short jeep which means adapters, driveshafts, welding in new mounts, and fabbing up cross members
You need to sit down and think a few things out, you are running around with ideas like a 17 year old with no clue on what it takes to do something.
If you want to do this thing correct, you need to make a plan, and stick to it.
I am sorry for saying this, but from what I have read in your threads you have started, I predict that this will become a sold off project jeep when you run out of money, that you will have all kinds of different parts like 3 trannies, 2 Tcases, 2 motors, 5 axles etc.
you want to do this right? and cost effective? OK we stick with a plan, right now the plan is modern breaks and a Dana 30 axle.
or are we going to do the engine first?
if so that is a legendary engine, it would cost less to rebuild it than to source a engine, tranny, tcase, adapters, drive shafts, mounts, crossmembers, radiator, wiring, etc that it would take to put the new engine in.
t14, v6 oddfire, stock. Late 60' cj5 (no title so haven't verified yet) late 40's Willy's jeep cab. Dana 44 rear and 30's front. 4.88 gears. Drum brakes. No power steering. Don't know much else yet. Haven't tore into it too much.
I appreciate your honesty, and humbly admit my "17 year oldish" incomplete thoughts. You will find that I don't get offended as some may. Learned that it is useless. I understand your frustrations dealing with someone who is able to completely disassemble a 1978 Kawasaki Invader and restore it, but has no clue when it comes to a CJ project.... I truly enjoy the plethora of knowledge that is available on forums, and feel for those who get stuck babysitting those who are seeking this wisdom for "free". I never claimed to be knowledgable about this type of project, but I am thirsty for knowledge. I have performed a ton of searches about all different avenues I can take. However, the engine through me for a loop. I do know that rebuilding a 350 chevy is much less expensive than a 460 ford... I assumed that parts for this sought after engine will be expensive, or very hard to come by. I didn't look into it yet however. As far as the tranny/case swap, I have read that the low ratio in the T-18 is desirable compared to what I have. The lowest gearing I have is not very slow, even with 4.88's. Seems weird, but that is why I was willing to buy that T-18Dana 300 combo which a lot of people seem to like. The brake kit seemed high priced when I can just, as we figured out in this post, put in a complete axle with disc already on it. If I would have agreed to buy the brake kit, I would have spent much more than what I am going to now on brakes. (thanks to this forum and its members). You made the statement that this will end up being another project that will get sold off to another... could be. I'm not planning on it. I have a nice shop and tools and the current desire to start and finish this one. However, it will take lots of questions to those who are willing to share, without getting upset that I am not a novice, and may jump around on this. I am gathering info, writing it down, and won't do a thing until I get a plan. Don't have the plan yet in place, and now I have an engine that I may be rebuilding 1st. A chasis without power is a yard ornament. That's why I jumped to the engine from the axles. Thanks for all your answers. The v8 is out (too long and too much fab) the AMC 258 i6 / 4.2l may be too long as well?? not sure. But I will have to find out how available parts are for the Dauntless Buick 225 V6 . I started a fresh post on the possibilities. Thanks again everyone, especially for your understanding Baja, and everyone else. It's good to feel 17 again!
Ok so on the original subject of power brakes.... Keeping in mind that the only cj I have been over extensively through is an 82.....
Would it be possible to get a pedal assembly from a late model Cj and get it to mount under the dash of the older cj? If i remember correctly from the last time I was under the dash the newer cj assy. mounts to the fire wall and then bolts in two places on the dash(which again if I remember correctly shares bolts with where the steering column mounts to the dash) Unless the steering column is in a drastically different place i would think that there would be no reason the assembly couldnt be installed under the dash.. Obviously, you would to carefully measure to make sure you drilled the holes for the brake booster in the correct spot on the fire wall and be somewhat able to modify the stock jeep. with that assembly you wouldn't need a backing plate to reinforce the metal (I wouldn't think) because the assembly has enough surface area to distribute the stress.
Then you could install a vacuum booster from a later cj or even a yj and plumb the brake lines in. You would definitely want to source a narrow trac with factory disk brakes for the front for all this too.
Like I said I have never owned an older CJ but if I did buy one and didnt have power brake my first brainstorm would be a cj pedal assembly as described above. You would have to tackle the issue getting the new clutch pedal too work after that but the question was about brakes not clutch.
Again my disclaimer on all that is its just a brainstorm for ideas not presented as "this is what you should do"
On the engine.... Really think hard on how much you want to put in this jeep, money and time, and what you want as the end result. From my experience for instance; I wanted to put in a Transmission from a 90s jeep into my 82. I did my research and decided it could work with my older engine and started the project.... Well I got the tranny installed and then realized my tc didnt mount right, so i did research and found a solution and started a new project, then I realized that the original clutch system wouldnt work with the tranny, i tried to fix that and then I discovered that I needed to completely changed to hydraulic which require me to scrap my pedal assembly for something different, then the next thing then the next, etc.
What all that long windedness is getting at is if you start putting in anything that didnt originally live as a bolt up item in your jeep (chevy engines and trannies, or power brakes for instance) you are going to start a chain reaction of other little projects that need to be performed in order to get those parts to work. Obviously chevy engine swaps can and have been done and there is plenty of good tech on them out there to help you along the way. just make sure its a road you a ready to go down.... You may find that just rebuilding what you have to a solid engine and maybe adding some minor engine upgrades along the way will more than suffice for your endgame needs, wants or desires.
67 cj5,225 Dauntless, D30,chrome molies, detroit, D44, full floating detroit, custom steering, disc all the way around,2 inch lift on 31s, armored up
70 cj6 4 inch lift
you know I have been trying to say that in other words
once you change this, you have to change that and it snow balls
as of now we will get a modern disc breaks under the jeep, sans power system, and a D 30 so the maintenance is so much smaller
we can do this with just a bell crank change out and the new breaks, plus a MC rebuild kit, pulling the back pressure device and adding a proportioning device.
My manual brakes were not all that bad but a later CJ is an relatively easy upgrade. Power brakes in an early CJ are just plain too much work for the average joe.
t14, v6 oddfire, stock. Late 60' cj5 (no title so haven't verified yet) late 40's Willy's jeep cab. Dana 44 rear and 30's front. 4.88 gears. Drum brakes. No power steering. Don't know much else yet. Haven't tore into it too much.
Thanks for the realignment everyone... I am taking out the 225 and starting a rebuild. I am first going to do a compression check on it to see where I'm at there. It really ran nice and smooth, just started ticking/knocking after the oil got hot. I'll put it on my engine stand then and flip it and check out the crank. I'm sure it'll have to go to the local machine shop. I did find a large number of sellers of the 225 parts. Definitely won't be a prob. I did pick up a Dana 30 today with discs on it. Just need to go through it and get some 4.88's for it. I do wish that my tranny had a granny though.... 1st gear, low range seemed awfully fast for 4.88's....
Yo, don't let us debbie down you out of doing something you want to do. If you dont want to keep your current engine by all means go with something else. With all the crazy conversions I have I would be a hypocrite to say its not worth doing. We just saw some red flags pop up when you said that you wanted to budget and then said you don't have any experience with the cjs and we were sharing ours.
